The terrorist Muslims!

Steady old boy.

 

There's-more-good-people-than-bad...

and-bad-people-aren't-defined-by-race-colour-or-religion.

bit-fucking-obvious...but-i-felt-the-need-to-say-it

 

It's so obvious that people don't see it

 

Andy is talking about LPG, liquid petroleum gas, which, while it produces significantly less greenhouse gas emissions when burnt, is a less efficient use of fossil fuels and so would use up the Earth's remaining resources more quickly than we are already doing. As for biodiesel, it consists of about 95% normal diesel so produces minimal reductions of greenhouse emissions.

I'm not quite sure why I'm discussing alternative fuel sources in a thread about Islam and terrorism... aaanyway...

No religion offers unambiguous messages either of peace or violence in its holy books, both positions can quite justifiably be supported textually - there are appeals to violence within the Koran just as there are within the Bible. What is interesting is that we seem at the moment to be seeing a factional split within Islam - those ("progressives") who claim that Islam is a religion of peace, and those ("fundamentalists") who claim their holy duty is to take over the world by force. It seems to me that the progressives will have their way just as they have in the Christian world since these things overwhelmingly are in the end dictated by human nature, and most ordinary people don't want to or can't sustain the passion and anger required to wage a holy war. We'd rather be watching TV.

That was probably a bit of a non-sequitur of a post but who cares, Big Brother's on.

 

yup...so-the-worse-thing-we-can-do-is-pander-to-media/political-stereotypes.

don't-give-up-freedom-for-"security"...you'll-get-niether-in-the-end

 

I seem to be getting into a bad habit of agreeing with you Smartie. Yeah, I reckon what you say may well be the case. What else is going to bring the population of this planet under control apart from natural disaster? Politicians hardly even talk about it, and yet in many ways it's the most pressing issue of our age.

That's debatable. There's certainly a case to be made for that position, but without knowing the true state of our world oil reserves, it's impossible to be certain. And I'm not about to take the word of the peak oil possie just yet.

Yup. We'd need a fairly revolutionary breakthrough if we want to maintain our present lifestyle. And I think we can pretty much rule that out as an option for a whole host of reasons.

That's where I'd differ with you. If I believed there was any possibility of a utopian, Aquarian co-op culture then I'd be right there with you. As it is though, all I see ahead for the post-oil future is pain, suffering, war, famine and disease for a very, very long time. And that's without even considering exactly how we're going to manage our nuclear waste reserves in a post-industrial society.

Of course, it may not be quite so extreme. Cold fusion still remains an enticing possibility. While we'd still need to make some pretty serious adjustments to our way of life, we could well continue in a technological society - just one where we'd need to ramp down our consumerist expectations. And of course, the time scale's still wide open for debate.

Sorry mate. It's oil or nothing at the moment. There aren't any alternatives that would provide anything like the energy our society requires. The problem with oil is that it's cheap energy. In terms of the energy spent extracting it, versus the energy it produces, it's a fucking miracle fuel. No other fuel offers this low-cost energy. If you want the really bad news, then it's worth considering the possibility (and it's far from a proven fact) that our oil production has already peaked and is about to slide off on a downhill curve. And if that's the case, then the shit really is about to hit the fan.

 

my teeth itch...

 

I don't consider every muslim responisble for what one of them does. I judge people individually. The Islam may however be guilty of promoting violence against unbelievers, I have not yet read the Koran. I do know the bible and the bible gives peaceful, friendly messages, but just as much messages that completely defy those. God himself orders the conquest of land, the slaughter of citiesful of innocents (including children and pregnant women - nowadays we'd call that genocide) and the enslavement of young virgins (for obvious reasons). In Exodus, while travelling through the desert, one of the Israelites touches the golden Ark, and God murders him. He isn't quite the Samaritan his son says we should be. I don't know why that should be different in the Islam.


But yes, I am aware that most muslims are minding their own business and are not doing anything wrong. I am also aware that the term "jihad" means defending the Islam against attacks from the outside, but is certainly not connected with blowing up innocents in the name of Allah.

Edit: Wow, and I was thinking this thread was about the Islam and terrorism...

 

Raskalization:​

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RE: Alsalam alaikum​

Wa alikum al salam wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh ​

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RE: the army has lost all honour for me. It's that i think if they are willing to kill on command for these greedy manipulative … , they might as well be gangsters.​

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RE: more innocent people will die at the hands of these men.​

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RE: Just had to get that off my chest, yes we have to express about our feelings.​

Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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Smartie.uk :​

RE: this quote is a double negative... if read correctly it says" allah forbids kind and just dealing with those who fought you ect ect."​

No, if some one fought us we have conditions several conditions not random as …….​

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Few examples:​

The Prophet Muhammad used to prohibit soldiers from killing women and children, and he would advise them: {...Do not betray, do not be excessive, do not kill a newborn child.} And he also said: {Whoever has killed a person having a treaty with the Muslims shall not smell the fragrance of Paradise, … }​

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RE: and pretty much spread itself thru war.​

A stupid hearsay

, Quraan, Chapter: 2, verse: 256.​

256: There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path…. ​

• SO, forcible conversion is prohibited in Islam. The religion did not spread by the sword. There were military confrontations between the Muslim state and the existing world powers of Rome and Persia. However, the areas conquered were put under Muslim administration and the populations were free to maintain their own beliefs. Muslims ruled Egypt, Palestine and Lebanon from the 8th centuries. Muslims ruled Spain for 700 years and India for 1000 years without the vast majority of the population converting to Islam.

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• The largest Muslim country in the world today is Indonesia, having over 200 million citizens, never saw a Muslim soldier. Islam spread there and in Malaysia and Philippines by trade. That was also the case of Islam's spread in West African countries like Nigeria, Ghana, Senegal, Chad and Niger. Also Islam is the fastest growing religion in America today with anywhere. This is taking place without any soldiers or even missionaries.

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And by the way the link that you posted it includes stupid lying they are giving you incomplete information, there are reasons for these wars you have to read these stuffs not from whom hate Islam. How poor attempts to blurring Islam , myself if I want to know the truth about something ex. Hindus I will read Hindus books and ask them and if I will read something has been written about them from non-Hindus I will ask the Hindus if that is true or claims. ​

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Quraan​

2:190: And fight in the way of Allah those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allah likes not the transgressors. ​

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Quraan​

8:61: But if they incline to peace, you also incline to it, and put your trust in Allah​

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Or do you want us when somebody will fight us to turn our left cheek to him!! We have to defend our selves. I challenge you if somebody strikes you on the right cheek you will turn to him the other also, because if you will do this then that means you are encourage the unjust!! Why there is many unjust people (leaders today) because the people when had saw the first injustice from them, they didn't do anything , they were afraid to give their truly reaction against their deeds! Exactly as SADAM HUSSIEN!! ​

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RE: i could do this for ever with the quaran and the bible.. but the truth is its all a load of complete ……. ​

Well you respect others religions please? Keep this opinion for you if you want to swear. O Allah my deepest apologizings he doesn't know what has he done, Forgive us please, your majesty's forgiveness Amen.​

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RE: I fail to believe that if god is an all thinking all seeing personification,​

I can help you if you want ​

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RE: He sat thru so many thousand years of humans worshipping the wrong thing before he sent someone to sort it out...​

We Muslims do not believe in that , we believe that Adam worshipped the true God and the people after him too and according to my knowledge , there is a story for how the first mistake of worshipping god had happened , but perhaps you don't interested in to know it so I will not write it.​

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RE: nope hang on he didn't even send anyone.. all i have heard is that some old arab guy claims that an angel came down and told him to write a book... if i claimed that does that mean i get my own religion too.​

God when he had sent messengers he supported them with miracles and evidences to be as a proof that they are his messengers. ​

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If you don't mind '' what is your religion'' or '' what is your belief''?​

Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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matthew :​

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RE: They are working for peace imho​

A lie which will never tricks us ​

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RE: not on our doorstep not our problem.. kill us and we do nothing ?..​

Who had started? It is clear ,it is self evident (it goes without saying) we should be neutral , I don't want to talk about it . it is boring. I hate politics.​

YoursSincerely,​

CatStevens​

 

Claire :​

RE: The-most-prominent-people-within-the-anti-war/pro-peace-movement-in-yorkshire-are-muslims....I've-worked-closely-with-them-in-the-past...​

Thank you 100 years old lady , I hope you will live to 200 too with all wellbeing ​

YoursSincerely,​

CatStevens​

 

cat the reason that mohammed said dont kill women and children is muslims wouldnt be able to rape or sell them if they were dead .

captive women were made into sex slaves called right hand possessions, mohammed himself made people into slaves traded in slaves

you have a system of virtual apartied called dhimmitude where non muslims if they were people of book, jews and christians were allowed to live in a secondclass state, paying a special form of protection money .

non christians and jews, pagans, hindus, under 3 of the four major schools of sunni islam were not given the option of this secondclass status and either killed or made into slaves .

in the Hanafi school of sunni islam all unbelievers would be able to live if they paid jizya thats why they are considered liberal although they believe in things like crucifixtion slavery sex slavery slavery and sex slavery, cutting off of hands for stealing crucifixtion, stoning for adultery, flogging for illegal sexual intercourse, offensive jihad, the third-class status of non-Muslims under Muslim law (dhimmis), the poor status of women, and so on.

Im not sure about shia islam but considering that the top religous leaders of shia islam as of today consider non muslims ritually unclean najis, on a simular level as shit, and something that could be useful for medical experiments .

things dont look that hopeful that people like pagans or people like me who thinks mohammed was a fake would have been well treated by them to.

 

RE: The-most-prominent-people-within-the-anti-war/pro-peace-movement-in-yorkshire-are-muslims....I've-worked-closely-with-them-in-the-past...


are they pro peace ? I went to peace marches in london and saw people carrying signs for islamic jihad and hamas and the al-asqa matyres brigades ..... doesnt sound to peaceful .....maybe they have a agenda.... think what that could be

 

I have a question for you cat mohammed claims his imaginary friend allah is most mercyful .
is he speaking the truth or is he lieing ?

in the koran you have as punishments cutting off of hands, cruicifixtion you have sahih haddiths where mohammed has mens eyes put out and cuts off their hands and feet and sees them crawl around a stoney desert watching them until they die , in hadiths you have stoning .

stoning crucifition ect ect takes a long time to kill someone , very painful

how is this most mercyful ?

it also says in the koran that allah puts a seal on some peoples heart so that they wont believe in him , and then he punishs them for all eternity for not believing in him ..

if allah knows everything he would know before he made these people that he was going to put a seal on their hearts, why would he make them unless he liked being cruel.

what is the point of punishing anyone for all eternity, I mean the person being punished wont learn anything from it to their benefit because they will be in hell so the only benefit is that allah or mohammed must enjoy watching people suffer .

can you imagine someone else who wouldnt cruicify people or make people suffer for all eternity for no point.

if you can someone kind wouldnt that person be more mercyful than this cruel allah and make the statement most mercyful a lie or false praise

 

showmet :
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RE: No religion offers unambiguous messages either of peace or violence in its holy books, both positions can quite justifiably be supported textually - there are appeals to violence within the Koran just as there are within the Bible.​

Again​

Quraan​

2:190: And fight in the way of Allah those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allah likes not the transgressors. ​

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Quraan​

8:61: But if they incline to peace, you also incline to it, and put your trust in Allah​

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Or do you want us when somebody will fight us to turn our left cheek to him!! We have to defend our selves. I challenge you if somebody strikes you on the right cheek you will turn to him the other also, because if you will do this then that means you are encourage the unjust!! Why there is many unjust people (leaders today) because the people when had saw the first injustice from them, they didn't do anything , they were afraid to give their truly reaction against their deeds! Exactly as SADAM HUSSIEN!! ​

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RE What is interesting is that we seem at the moment to be seeing a factional split within Islam - those ("progressives") who claim that Islam is a religion of peace, and those ("fundamentalists") who claim their holy duty is to take over the world by force.​

Who said that those who claim that their holy duty is to take over the world by force are fundamentalists Moslems? They are Moslems yeah, but their deeds isn't expressing about Islamic teachings. It is stupid to blame Islam because of the deeds of rare Muslims. Islam is something and terrorist Moslems are something else, they don't have anything supports their claims that their deeds are in the name of Islam, we are mature enough to believe everything has been said, we should make sure by our selves, everybody can claim that he is doing something in the name of whatever. It doesn't mean if you see a bad Moslem that Islam is bad, no, we shouldn't judge Islam according to Moslems deeds. The bible prohibited fornication, but there are many of Christian people who have sex without marriage is that mean that Christianity allows fornication!!

Be just and think before talking and giving a suggestion or decisions. ​

I challenge every Muslim who claims that he is doing his brutal acts in the name of Islam would give their proofs??? What are their proofs which are supporting their deeds according to Islamic teachings?​

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RE: That was probably a bit of a non-sequitur of a post but who cares, Big Brother's on.​

TVs channels whom broadcast ridiculous programs (naked women, sex, scandals,…) to distract people (specially guys and girls, the teenagers and young) from the important things, from what is happening. To make this generation don't care about the important things and benefit, they want to produce a lazy generation whom don't care only about their stomach, sex, prostitution ,material things..etc. yes, they want to produce a generation whom used to get everything easily , don't work hard to get money to live because when the true hour the serious hour will come they will know that this generation will give up so fast will don't care because they don't want to use their brain they used to sleep all the time , dream day-dreams all the time,

nowadays generation are disgusting , silly, animals, all the time just joking around doesn't be for a moment serious when serious is wanted, doesn't care about others feelings, swearing all the times, their top ambitions is to be Actor! Miss world! Singer! famous! What a generation I don't know how do they stand themselves I will throw up.



Those whom own these channels we know their real intentions we aren't stupid.



Quraan: chapter: 2

11: And when it is said to them: ''Make not mischief on the earth,'' they say: we are only peace-makers.'' 12: Verily, they are the ones who make mischief, but they perceive not.



18: 103-104

103: Say (O Muhammad): shall we tell you the greatest losers in respect of their deeds? 104: those whose efforts have been wasted this life they thought that they were acquiring good by their deeds.

Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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Claire ​

RE: yup...so-the-worse-thing-we-can-do-is-pander-to-media/political-stereotypes.

don't-give-up-freedom-for-"security"...you'll-get-niether-in-the-end​

Exactly strong women.​

Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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hailtothekingbaby
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RE: I don't consider every muslim responisble for what one of them does. I judge people individually.​

The utter rationality ​

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RE: The Islam may however be guilty of promoting violence against unbelievers,​

That's not right​

Chapter: 64

12: Obey Allah, and Obey the Messenger (Muhammad); but if you turn away, then the duty of Our Messenger is only to convey (the message) clearly. Not to obligate!!

Chapter: 88​

22: You are not a dictator over them

Chapter: 2​

256: There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path…. ​

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Chapter: 109, verse: 1-6.​

1: Say (O Muhammad to these Mushrikun and Kafirun): '' O Al-Kafirun è(disbelievers in Allah, in his Oneness, in His Angels, in his books, in his messengers, in the day of resurrection, and in Al-Qadarè(Divine Preordainment)! 2: I worship not that which you worship, 3: Nor will you worship that which I worship. 4: And I shall not worship that which you are worshipping, 5: Nor will you worship that which I worship. 6: To you be your religion, ant to me my religion (Islamic Monotheism).'' ​

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Chapter: 6, verse: 108.​

108: And insult (revile) not those whom they (disbelievers) worship besides Allah, …​

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Chapter: 60, verse: 8&9.​

8: Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion nor drove you out of your homes. Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equal. 9: It is only as regards those who fought against you on account of religion, and have driven you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out, that Allah forbid you to befriend them… .​

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RE: I have not yet read the Koran.​

I hope it will be soon, and for any help , service you are more than welcome ​

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RE: He isn't quite the Samaritan his son says we should be. I don't know why that should be different in the Islam.​

Should be what! Which different. What do you mean exactly? I don't have more information about bible but I have the bible and I read it from time to time.​

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RE: But yes, I am aware that most muslims are minding their own business and are not doing anything wrong.​

Every body hail to king baby. *viva* viva* viva*​

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RE: I am also aware that the term "jihad" means defending the Islam against attacks from the outside, but is certainly not connected with blowing up innocents in the name of Allah.​

I swear to Allah that you are the sanest in my thread *viva*viva*viva​

I am asking you Allah to endow him all wellbeing and happiness Amen.​

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RE: Edit: Wow, and I was thinking this thread was about the Islam and terrorism...​

I explained this in the first paragraph ​

Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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jonny2mad :​

RE: cat the reason that mohammed said dont kill women and children is muslims wouldnt be able to rape or sell them if they were dead .​

Your own sick analysis.​

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RE: captive women were made into sex slaves called right hand possessions, mohammed himself made people into slaves traded in slaves. you have a system of virtual apartied called dhimmitude where non muslims if they were people of book, jews and christians were allowed to live in a secondclass state, paying a special form of protection money .non christians and jews, pagans, hindus, under 3 of the four major schools of sunni islam were not given the option of this secondclass status and either killed or made into slaves…etc​

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Let me tell you something, Read more and when you read about something read the whole story. Don't read only parts which change the whole meaning of the truth. It is stupid to blame Islam because of the deeds of some Muslims. It doesn't mean if you see a bad Moslem that Islam is bad, no, we shouldn't judge Islam according to Moslems deeds. The bible prohibited fornication, but there are many of Christian people who have sex without marriage is that mean that Christianity allows fornication!! ​

Be just and think before talking and giving a suggestion or decisions. My thread about something and you turned it to something else?​

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RE: Im not sure about shia islam but considering that the top religous leaders of shia islam as of today consider non muslims ritually unclean najis, on a simular level as shit, and something that could be useful for medical experiments .​

Listen. All these stuffs I thing it will be useless to discuss it as long as you are non_Muslim. Myself I think that if somebody believed that Quraan is Allah's word then he have to follow its teachings and discuss it , but basically he doesn't believe in it so then it is a wasting for time. ​

God created us and he knows best what avail us and what harm us, he wants your advantage, because we trust in God and beyond his allowing and prohibition and teachings a reason (wisdom) ​

Besides to that, we have to know that beyond prohibitions some other (wisdoms) ; he wants to test us , so that he may see us how we act ?​

A test from the God to us to know how you will deal with it? will us obey him or not? God stated:​

'' Do people think that they will be left alone because they say: ''We believe,'' and will not be tested? – And we indeed tested those who were before them. And Allah will certainly make (it) known (the truth of) those who are true, and will certainly make (it) known (the falsehood of) those who are liars, (although Allah knows all that before putting them to test). ''​

Chapter: 28, verses: 2&3​

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So, briefly: if I believed that Quraan is Allah's word and I have my proofs and evidences for that then I will not argue his commands. That is why we called Moslems. ​

Muslims is the adjective of the noun Islam: is an Arabic term which means: ''submission'', points to the fundamental religious creed which dictates that a Muslim submits to the will of Allah, conforming inwardly and outwardly to his lows. i.e.: the right way of life consisting of submission to whatever God has instructed.​

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And as a Muslims when we were sure that the Quraan is his word then we don't argue to any of his commands because we trust in God and beyond his allowing and prohibition a reason (wisdom), even if we didn't realize the wisdom. We know he wants our advantage.​

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I want to tell also that I am a shia Moslem , yes there are who said and still that non Muslims unclean najis, but I didn't hear that '' something that could be useful for medical experiments '' any way I made many discussions with some of them about non Moslems if they are really unclean and still arguing , one day I will specified it to this issue Allah willing , and if they will don't give me a proof from Quraan or hadeeth I will not consider that non Moslems are najis as I am not considering them in present as long as I don't have the proof yet And by the way there are many types of shia too.​

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Quraan 4:59​

59: O you who believe! Obey Allah and Obey the Messenger (Muhammad), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority. And if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger if you believe in Allah and in the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for final determination.​

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Quraan 33:36​

36: it is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allah and His messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allah and his Messenger, he has indeed strayed into a plain error.​

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If you don't mind: What is your religion? From were (source)you get your information about Islam?
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RE: things dont look that hopeful that people like pagans or people like me who thinks mohammed was a fake would have been well treated by them to.​

Read more. And please don't say fake. Respect others prophets, religions and feelings.​

Gonna go I will continue my responds to you as soon as possible. I became tired I typed a lot today. Ho
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