The True Meaning of Christmas

As a human being I offer my respects to you Littlefoot, you obviously care deeply about the situation.
The war and violence on nature of which you speak my friend, is a direct manifestation of that same fragmented and destructive state of consciousness within your own self.

 

If that's true, and I think it is, why aren't you there? And if you are, why are you so angry? By the way, Christmas is over. Wal Mart is already putting out Valentine's Day displays, so maybe we should switch to the true meaning of valentines, which are obviously another Christian/capitalist plot to honor a saint and commercialize love.

 

Who gets to be president is dictated by the will of the majority. He is a perfection
relfection of what the majority _really_ are, rather than what they _say_ they are
or what they _want_ to be.

What I can do to help, I am doing. I am trying to get people to quit pretending that
the myth of America and the reality of America are the same thing.

You can't solve problems that you won't honestly face.

So all bad things are okay as long as you pray after you do them? Sorry.

There is no judgement in the sense that you mean. That's the psuedo-Christian
perspective on reality and it's erroneous.

There is no way to do that when one is intertedependent with an Earth-raping,
war-making economy that exploits the hell out of poor people around the world.

All you can do is pretend that this ideal has been reached.

I live a life that is far simpler than that of the typical American, which is not
simple at all.

Once again, you can't do that while you are an interdependent part of an economy
like this. You can just pretend you are.

There is more to reality than how you just treat the people you interact with
personally.

You are also responsible for what you pay others to do for you.

I notice that the conversation is being deliberately led away from my original
post here. That doesn't surprise me.

Littlefoot

 

That's right. Neither will pretending that ideals have been reached that have not
been actualized.

Or that one is not a part of a problem that one clearly is a part of.

I guess you _really_ don't want to talk about the true meaning of Christmas,
eh?

Littlefoot

 

Try actually reading my post. I said no such thing.

Isn't it a sin to bear false witness against one's neighbor according to your
religion?


Littlefoot

 

No, it's a direct manifestation of hundreds of millions of people who refuse to accept
any limits on their materialism. And who don't care what has to be done to the planet
or others in order to make their material dreams come true.

They just _say_ they care, like you. And turn a blind eye on reality.

Well, I am sure that you _do_ care, as much as I do. You would just rather
attack my worth as human being rather than face reality. That's okay.

I've heard it all before. You can't harm me with your dishonest words.

I live much more simply than you do. I do less harm to the world than you do.

Talk is cheap.

Littlefoot.

 

Another bitchy attack from someone who doesn't like their pet holiday examined
with the reasoning mind that God gave us for just that purpose.

You are boring the hell out of me. If you want me to start ignoring your posts,
keep it up.

Littlefoot

 

There is a God, but it's not some over-sized violent and sadistic white patriarch sitting
on a throne somewhere.

Human life is but one manifestation of the ineffable gestalt consciousness that
both creates, and _is_ an infinite number of kinds of consciousness.

God is not just aware of every sparrow that falls. God, The Spirit That Moves
In All Things, _is_ every sparrow that falls.

These folks accuse me of not being a good person because I try to think
clearly and honestly.

But Jesus took a whip to the money-changers in the temple, didn't He?

So I guess they must think that Jesus is a pretty rotten character.

Jesus was an angry person, too, obviously, when it was appropriate.

I think I'll follow His example rather than the mere words of these fast-talking
hypocrites.

Littlefoot

 

Then why wasn't Al Gore our President after the 2000 election? He got the most popular votes. It's our electoral college system,I tell you, checking the will of the people again.

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Christmas is over, man. It's time to do a job on Valentine's Day. Groundhog day may be more of a challenge.

 

So who said it's all about you and your post? You're taking things way to personal, man. Lighten upl

 

Can't go wrong there, man. So who are these folks who're accusing you of not being a good person?

 

It should be all about my post. That's what a thread is, after all. But most of the
people here don't like my post, and instead of having the honesty and integrity
to debate the points I've raised, they choose to attack my worth as a human being
instead, including accusing me of saying things I haven't said.

Why don't you tell _them_ to lighten up? And to post on-topic?

Afraid they'll gang up on you too?

Littlefoot

 

well considering that you didn't reply to my last post, i guess the conversation about the true meaning of Christmas is over. I already summed it up for ya.


littlefoot i seem to feel a little bit of tension coming from you...don't like when the tables are turned eh?


anyways, all jokes aside, Jedi had a GREAT post. your response to that post is.....well.....a little farfetched.

Jedi says that all we can do is live honest lives the very best we can. He is right. I can't be held responsible for every wrong my nation does. That is way to large of a scale and it really isn't my fault. If a child dies of hunger in some 3rd world country, and somehow it can be connected back to the US in a chain of like 20 events, and then back to me b/c I live in the US, then it is my fault that child died?

....never mind the fact that if i saw the child starving on the street with my own eyes, i would have given him food, but yet, it is my burden to carry b/c he died? this logic doesn't make sense. thinking like this, almost every wrong in the world could be connected back to everyone in some shape, way, or form. We can only be held responsible for our own actions.

 

What you can do is try to change your nation and it's policies.
If enough people simply said 'enough!' that would be that for the politicos.

 

I agree in principle, but how many is enough. For the past several years overwhelming majorities of Americans in national opinion polls have been saying "enough" to the war in Iraq. They even elected a Democrat majority in Congress to send a message. And the war goes on. Why? Because Bush has a veto and the Republican minority in Congress has the fillibuster. The pollsters tell us that Bush hs only a 30% approval rating and Congress less than that. Yet they continue. We have another Presidential election coming up this year, and look at the choices. Nobody I'd have confidence in to lead the nation. And as a non-Republican Okie, I'm effectively disenfranchised. My vote might give me a certain symbolic satisfaction, but the electoral system doesn't give non-Republicans in Red States like this a chance. I'd have to move to one of the "purple" states for my vote to count.

 

we don't have a democracy, we have an illusion of a democracy.

the system is entirely broken and if you can't see that then your a fool.


the only people that can even QUALIFY for president are the rich, self-serving bastards that don't give a damn about the middle and lower classes. this is because the fees just to get your name on the ballot are so damn high, no one can afford it unless your extremely wealthy.

on top of that, political parties have truly ruined the country. when it comes down to it, you have a choice between this rich asshole and that rich asshole. republican or democrat. everytime. and they are two extremes that get nothing done. they oppose each other in every aspect.

and congress is a damn joke. if you think you can rely on your congressmen to "represent you", then, once again your a fool. people in congress sell their votes daily.

"well senator bob, if you vote with me on this bill, then i will vote with you to give your state extra peanut money, that way, when election time comes, you can tell all the people in the state how good you were for them"
do you all realize that when the congress was switched to the democratic majority and they voted on the war, that votes were sold....even on something as important as the war, in which our brothers and sisters die everyday. they did a report about it on CBS and it was disgusting. these rich snobs don't give a shit about anyone but themselves and they are determined to keep the system locked down so they can abuse it. don't even get me started on giving yourself raises, as if they don't make enough...

George Washington warned in his farewell address not to form political parties, and he was right.

 

Yes, I agree it is difficult to change things, and politicians rouitinely ignore public opinion. The war in Iraq and the UK's involvement is a good example. Huge numbers protested, polls showed over and over that the majority were not in favour. Blair quite blanantly lied to both the public and to parliament, and there was a cover up of intelligence suggesting that the WMD claims were untrue, as they turned out to be.
I certainly don't feel that any of the mainstream political parties over here represent my view. In future I will probebly vote green although the greens have little chance of electoral success.

I will also mention that I think it's bit much that Blair has evidently now decided to convert to Catholicism given Pope JP II's stand against the war. It's also clearly more PR, as he himself says he felt he couldn't do it whilst he was PM. So there we have a typical example of a man who puts his self interest and career before his so-called spiritual convictions.
It's also extremely hypocritical given that during his years in office things got considerably worse for those at the bottom of the social ladder, and he launched the Uk into 2 wars, whilst of course, netting millions for himself.

 

hmm...well since im so stupid that i can't raise money then maybe you can inform me how you would go about doing it.

let's do some quick math here.....on average most states require a fee of around $2000 for the primarys, and $500-$1000 for the general election. Arkansas charges $15,000 for primary and South Carolina charges $25,000-$35,000 for primary, depending on how early or late you file.

sooo.. we are already looking at $136,000 considering you make it to SC early enough. Just to get your name on the ballot. and that isn't even counting the general election.

BUT........we all know that if you can't advertise then you have no chance of winning, as people will not even know who you are, and your sure as hell not gonna get any air time on the news networks if your some loser nobody from the middle class. Let's assume we will go with TV commercials. This year, the candidates will spend well over $2 billion on telivision ads. a single 30 second spot in california can cost as much as $250,000. And that isn't even on the huge networks (ABC, NBC, CBS)

soooo......I know I don't have this kind of money lodged in my ass. maybe im stupid if I can't afford to run for president I don't know? Maybe you should share with us how YOU can afford it.....(good luck finding someone to sponser you btw....considering you credentials)

 

So - does that mean that because he had a rich daddy GWB posesses intelligence above that of the average person? Or that he's fit person to exercise power?
I don't think so.

 

I think that credientials do really matter. As a matter of fact, that probably matters more than money. The majority of American is white, middle-class, working christians, and they want someone with a record in politics. If you have absolutely no type of political service at all, then you will never win. they will see your lack of experience and that will be as far as they get. and im telling you man. you would need MASSIVE amounts of funds. I don't even think you would be able to run without a sponser, and you would be very hardpressed to get one of those.


But i'll tell you what. If you are actually a legitimate candidate in 2012, and the world isn't being swallowed up by ancient mayan gods or w/e, then i will cast my ballot for you, simply because you actually made it....