The USA is nothing but a collection of corporations

Yet you reap the rewards of those who sacrificed their lives to protect the liberties you enjoy.

 

I pledge alliegence to the ideals that the United States originally/still stands for; equal oppurtunity to succeed. Although clearly all peoples don't have equal oppurtunity, I feel that the US has, until the past half century, protected the liberties better than any other industrial country (Netherlands, Switzerland, and other financial-based countries are excluded, because of the extremely small percentage of blue collar work).

 

In who's army? I mean an army which pledges its alleigence to whom exactly?
The government of the united states - who right now appears to be Halliburton, and a few other conglomorated corporations to the rest of the world - dont get me wrong - I'm not takin a swipe at the USA - Europe is the same - see Qinetiq etc

 

Oh I see. So those 13 years I sacrificed in uniform mean nothing. I've worked hard my entire life and now live free of the government shackles that the rest of you wear, but you get to think I'm a dirtbag and you can judge me you little shit? Pack up your ideals, put on a uniform, go get paid to cause death, destruction and human suffering for a few years for a striped piece of cloth and you STILL won't have the right to judge me. I paid my dues and now I have the right to turn my back on what I once believed in.

I have integrity. You have exactly shit, son.

 

Well, Zoomie, I am sorry that you feel the way you do, I mean I know,I know it is a shock to realise that you have been fooled by the very state you paid allegiance to. However it is the men that have turned the USA into a getrich quick scheme you should be turning on - not me.
If you feel that way perhaps you should talk about it with others who have not yet realised - I do not know what a soldier would feel in this situation but I urge you to see this truth for yourself or oppose my opinion but do not cheapen yourself by merely calling me names and flicking 2 fingers up - it is most undignified. May I add that if you really are offended - time will heal -
Believe me - when Bush says "Youre either with us or against us" - they mean you are either pillaging the world or you are a moralist - which is it - The United States or Halliburton Inc? Zoomie, whose side are you on? Corporate shit-holes robbing the public purse - or decent law abiding government?

 

no bank owns your home? how so? Most people do not own the land their homes sit on. They are merely only renting the land.

home taxes? Are you self-employed?

 

they have the power and you do not so they will do what they like...

 

Power does not make right

 

Right and wrong do not factor into the equation.

 

Right and wrong do not factor into the equation.

go ahead Einstein, we are all ears

 

What ideals would that be? The standard bullshit ideals fed to people from grammar school on up, or the true ideals..........genocide, manifest destiny, theft, subjugation, caste systems, and manipulation.

 

Phibes, I don't owe you or anyone else an explanation of what happened to me or what will happen to them. I'm not offended by what happened to me, I accept it as part of who I am. I'm not even angry. As I stated, I paid my dues. Now I live my life.



Now, smarmy little ass goblins like you who don't even live in the US and have nothing better to do than point fingers make me ill. You have no right to judge. Angry because you elected a PM so weak that he let Curious George the Monkey lead him (and Britain) down a garden path to destruction and disgrace? Oh wait, YOU didn't elect him. And I didn't elect Bush. So stop with the generalisations, OK? We're not all sheep. I am perfectly fine with the life I've led, I have no regrets.

Inquiring mind, you obviously know nothing about real estate.

 

enough to know most people do not own the land their homes sit on.

 

Pardon my rudeness, but shut the fuck up.
The true ideals are what the founders stood for; albeit some were hipocrites (sp?), the goals they set forth in the constitution and Declaration of Independance were the second of their kind, and the only lasting version of that. Sure, France did the same, but at least our country did what it was supposed to do; advance the interests of its citizens.

Also, provide me with an example of a government that has done a better job. And by government, I mean govenment of a large, industrialized nation.

 

I wasn't aware that you served in the military.

Shut the fuck up. Seriously, you know nothing of me besides what was posted here, so if you want to condescend, at least choose someone worthy of it; perhaps yourself. And one other thing, if think you were fooled by your country, maybe you are just a fool who is bitter about not getting anything done with their life. Food for thought.


Sorry for lowering myself to his levels, but I felt it was necessary.

 

I agree with this, you are deffinately always paying rent so too speak on your land by paying taxes like others have said. Go outside and take a piss on it when a cop car goes buy and watch how fast they will come and arest you, seems to me if you truely owned your own land you could do what you want with it.

Hell you cant even build or do repairs on it without a fucking permit, you have to basically get permision to do that. And then here will come the asshole inspectors who want to do nothing but harrass you and find everything they can wrong with what you are doing. Just like going and asking a landlord if you can do this or that.

Trust me people not only do you never own your own land, you have to ask permission for almost every fucking thing you do.

This is another thing I dont like about the USA.

 

Nope.

 

Thanks for that but I balked the brainwashing session.

 

Fine comments which I appreciate.
The UK is in a terrible state currently but that's another topic.

The USA practiced 'Isolationism' throughout the 1930s & was severely criticised for it after 1945.It was a factor in America's involvement in Korea & Vietnam because the western world said "You can't sit by & do nothing whilst Chairman Mao creates a Communist Empire from Manchuria to Burma".
Of course ,Vietnam turned into a human tragedy on an unbearable scale.
I'm not trying to justify the 'Red Menace' hysteria;I am only putting it in context of the fact that America was determined not to allow itself to be accused of 'Isolationism' ever again.
You may regard the U.S. foreign policy in Latin America,South America & The Middle East to be aggressive from the 1970s to present day & I would agree to an extent.But aggressors only respect you when you match might with might.
If the USA had not matched up to Soviet Russia -might for might-missile for missile-communism would not have disintegrated in Russia,which ended the costly & highly dangerous 'Cold War' scenario that had fueled a pointless 'Arms Race' of the World's two superpowers.
I think that China will become a 'Superpower' in this century & already there is a fear that it will usurp the U.S. economy with a flood of surplus capital (which is already happening in Europe).It is vital that the U.S. helps create the conditions for 'Doctrinare Communism' to be dismantled in modern China without huge social disharmony.Allowing China to sit in the U.N. Security Council was a bold audacious but necessary risk.
It is assumed that the USA in in Iraq in order to preserve future supplies of Oil.
This explains why the US hasn't invaded Zimbabwe,North Korea or Burma which currently has 'despotic' dictators similar Saddam Hussein,running opressive regimes.
I just ask people to understand U.S. foreign policy in context of the 'role' the U.S. has assumed as 'The World's Policeman' not derriding it as an excuse for imperialist-expansion but as a duty that the world's richest nation should assume in the context of preventing the return of the international chaos of the 1930s.

 

The UK is a mess partly because continuous generations of its unelected and aristocratic civil service have run this country regardless of the government in power. The agenda is, and always has been to keep those aristocratic leeches in power.
They enlist the help of the USA. The NSA cannot spy on its citizens in the USA - its illegal - so the base at Menwith Hill Britain is used
They use computers called Echelon to monitor 7Billion phone calls simultaneously and each is translated and recorded in real time by voice recognition systems (including mobiles) they use it also to do things like route the entire french telephone network through it so they can steal industrial secrets (well documented) google "french echelon menwith hill spy"
Anyway the point being that we are monitored here in Britain by a similar base in the USA. Now I dont know but did you vote for this? Do any of us get a vote on this or are these corrupt shits just doin it cuz they got us suckers at the end of a gun? Seems to me like all that US corruption is rife here and we are poorer cuz of it so that is why I dont like those buttholes in the white house and your civil service.
GET YOUR FUCKIN BASES OUT OF MY COUNTRY - and take your ass out of the worlds face
ITS ALL FOR MONEY AND Corporate power
Oh and BTW all email and data traffic on the web is routed there as well
who the fuck are these wankers to ruin other peoples economies?
http://cndyorks.gn.apc.org/mhs/mhscommerce.htm

http://www.fas.org/irp/facility/menwith.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menwith_Hill
"No-one concerned about civil liberties can ignore Menwith Hill. Despite many attempts to get answers to questions, it is quite clear that Menwith Hill is not accountable to MPs and therefore not to the British people