No matter what energy comes at us what we do with the energy does matter. There is a way of seeing that goes beyond the seperation of the One. The Watchers come from 3 main groups. Group 1 Born from Tulpa Energy. Group 2 Born from the I Am and Higher God Self Group 3 Born from Angels, Guides, and Master teachers. All things have a mirror reflection of energy which creates the desire for balances we seek in our worlds. The long winded reply on how I came by the information and understandings is posted in my personal forum for anyone interested. I just felt it was to long a reply for here.
Your "watchers " could just be ghosts . You might set up some recorders and look for e.v.p. If there just ghosts and dont do any harm , you might just live with them . You might let them know there dead . Lets say some one died in there sleep in your apt. and think there still alive , they see some one new move in and dont know what to think . Something else , we all go out of body during certen parts of sleep ( astral project ) but dont remember , you could be mistaking the astral bodies of living people for watchers . desert rat
Well. The first time I had any type of contact they introduced themselves as 'the watchers.' I don't think the watchers reside in my apartment but they come and visit at certain times and they're comforting to me. I'm trying to figure out what the negative energy presence I feel is though. I'm wondering if it's a negative watcher or maybe a whole other type of being all together, maybe that's the ghost.
Best way to use sage... First get it burning good, don't blow on it, fan it with your hand. Or better yet a bundle of feathers. Best to use a large shell, like abalone... or a medium size plate to catch ashes and hold the sage while you do the next part. Once burning well and smoking start at the front door, walk clockwise around the inside of the house, into every room (even closets) and fan the smoke into all rooms and corners. As you do this visualize the smoke cleansing away any negativity. You end up back at the front door and wave away all the negative energy out the door. You can then let the sage burn on the plate/shell until it goes out. Yes, some "negative "art" could bring in negative/bad energy... so can sounds (music) but it really depends on people's reaction to it or feelings about it. Get some Native American drumming and flute music to counter act this and play it when roomy is gone for awhile... Use this and the sage at the same time too... R. Carlos Nakai would be a powerful artist to get. R. Carlos Nakai He, Bill Eaton, and Will Clipman do some good medicine. (I know Bill Eaton personally and he's got some good energy) Good luck.
thanks! why go clock wise? just curious...I'm actually thinking of the last time I used the sage and I feel like I may have gone counter clock wise. I just found R. carlos nakai on pandora and I'm listening to it right now..
You might make this post on some of the new age/parnormal / med. phy. forums . Forum members on other sites might have other ideas . Some sites are on this list I made as Pavlina shut down . http://www.stevepavlina.com/forums/fun-recreation/71273-list-other-forums.html desert rat p.s. some sites are open to any one , others limit there member ship
RainyDayHype.....I understand what you're going through and it isn't that unusual.Just welcome the good spirit and reject the bad ones.Yes you can do that,you can tell a spirit to leave you alone and that you won't accept their presence there.You are powerful as a human and can control the energy you put out there,negative or positive.I was told by a channel reader to look up "kryon.com" in order to understand a little better of our universe and ourselves as divine entities.It's not a religion (i don't read the man written bible) but a great way to see our purpose in life.You can also read the question and answer section,it could help you understand what is happening to you.Don't be in fear of the unknown..... you have power!!
This has really been a fascinating thread to watch. It's neat to see how collective imagery and archetype and how it's changed with the rise of different pop cultures. Way back when I used to believe in this crap, you would have been tossed out of the Occult circles for calling the Watchers aliens. But now a days, aliens seem to be the catch all explanation. Very interesting to watch. Not even a single Enochian in this thread! Times have changed.
I agree and also find it strange no mention of Enoch, considering he was the first liaison between the Watchers and man, at least according to the apocryphal Biblical texts, The Book of Enoch. It also credits Enoch with the building of the great pyramid and the Sphinx which is actually a key to the zodiac, but I'm getting off topic here, or am I ?
I think your second post was a much more effective way of getting your point across than the first one. Do invectives and denigrations constitute an argument, or do they just help prop up your ego? Of course, this begs the question: Why is it that your ego would need propping? But maybe I'm getting off topic here...or am I? Anyway the points in your second post ARE interesting, and I would think Rainy might like to consider them in light of her statement of being cautious about believing the Bible. Of course as you stated, the Book of Enoch isn't actually part of the Bible - it's apocryphal. Then again, somebody made the choices of which books to include in the Bible and which to leave out. Why include one set of astonishing myth-like stories and exclude another? Probably just the collective imagery and archetype of the times and culture, as Hecubus said. As for myself, I experience a lot of weird stuff and have few explanations I can hold onto with much confidence. In Rainy's case the entities TOLD her they're "The Watchers," so her search for explanations starts there. This at least makes some degree of sense.
My ego doesn't need propping up, I just call out stupidity or rather illogical reasoning when I see it. Zengizmo even if you didn't care for the presentation, you must agree with the idea behind my first post. It is ludicrously ironic to have someone discussing the type of stuff that she has been discussing and believing it all completely and without reservation, yet she is cautious about the Bible. That's fucking hilarious, dude and you know it. Seriously, if a person is going to go all in on some of these beliefs, why discount Biblical accounts? They certainly have as much validity as any other tome she is basing her belief system on. Plus the Bible does have the one unique feature going for it, it is a historical document, which history has been verified by archeology and extra-biblical documents. I'm talking the secular historical accounts, not miracle stories. So whenever I hear comments like the above it just really tells me the person is ignorant concerning the Bible and what it actually teaches, etc. and therefore basing such proclamations on a complete lack of information rather than an abundant understanding of the subject matter. Real smart way to make decisions, isn't it? Then lets add the FACT that the FIRST place THE WATCHERS have been mentioned in history is in, yup you guessed it, THE BIBLE and related apocryphal writings. So she wants to discount the oldest record of the "beings" she thinks are communicating with her? priceless. let's not forget that there is always the possibilities that she is schizophrenic and bat-shit crazy. THAT could explain the voices.
Well Noxious, I suppose my theory about your ego needing propping may have been a bit of unsupported conjecture on my part. I think your most recent post is a good explanation of the problem with Rainy's statement that you labelled "idiocy" in your first post. It would have been my own preference to substitute your third post for your first, but I'm glad at least that you took the time in your third post to explain yourself more fully and less harshly. And yes, I do agree in principle. I had a kind of similar thought when I first read Rainy's statement, but I felt no need to get into it with her at the time. Also I didn't have your knowledge about the Book of Enoch, which brings a whole new dimension to the topic. And yes again, the vast majority of the Old Testament is historical, and apparently fairly accurate according to archeological findings and other historical documents, as you said - with quite a bit of opinionating and editorializing thrown in. And the vast majority of the New Testament is letters, with four attempts at a sort of biography (the gospels) and one of history (Acts of the Apostles). The hinkey parts are mostly in Genesis, with some definite eyebrow-raisers in Exodus, and let's not EVEN get into Revelation. So bottom line, I agree that Rainy would do well to reconsider her statement about the Bible. Whether the Bible would actually be helpful in understanding her experience, I couldn't say - but if the voices calling themselves "The Watchers" are what they say, it seems like a good book to check out, at least. Full-blown schizophrenia, though? No, that's totally debilitating, whereas Rainy is quite functional. It may be she has what's termed "schizotypal personality." I would say I have that, as probably do a helluva lot of us who hang out on the Psychic Forum. Of course a label is not an explanation. In my case I have external confirmations that the telepathy I experience is real and not imagined - therefore I'm slow to dismiss other people's experiences as some form of delusion. However in my earlier post regarding the voice in my head that seemed other-worldly and ethereal, I'm a bit out of my logical comfort zone. Because of my confirmed experiences I'm inclined to view that experience as being somehow "real" also, yet I have no sure knowledge of what sort of entity it might have been who was speaking to me. I'm more pragmatic and cautious about latching onto explanations, I think, than Rainy is. Yet at the same time, her search for answers is similar to mine, and so I'm interested in where she goes with this.
Accusing me of schizophrenia behind a computer screen is very rude when you don't know anything about me except that I've been in contact with the watchers. I never said that I've disregarded everything in the bible. I'm cautious of the bible. I'm cautious of the watchers. I'm cautious of the world. I'm cautious of people. I don't have any prior knowledge of the watchers and I posted this thread so that maybe some people could enlighten me. You're doing it all wrong though.
Well I do come across like a 2x4 to the forehead at times, with a name like NoxiousGas what did ya expect. But I bet it gave RainyDay pause to reconsider her stance. I will admit the remark about schizo/bat-shit crazy is just me being a dick, my apologies. Here is a good starting point RainyDayHype :2thumbsup:; Here is the first known (to my knowledge) mention of the Watchers; http://www.hiddenbible.com/enoch/online.html [Chapter 10] 1 Then said the Most High, the Holy and Great One spake, and sent Uriel to the son of Lamech, 2 and said to him: 'Go to Noah and tell him in my name "Hide thyself!" and reveal to him the end that is approaching: that the whole earth will be destroyed, and a deluge is about to come 3 upon the whole earth, and will destroy all that is on it. And now instruct him that he may escape 4 and his seed may be preserved for all the generations of the world.' And again the Lord said to Raphael: 'Bind Azazel hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness: and make an opening 5 in the desert, which is in Dudael, and cast him therein. And place upon him rough and jagged rocks, and cover him with darkness, and let him abide there for ever, and cover his face that he may 6,7 not see light. And on the day of the great judgement he shall be cast into the fire. And heal the earth which the angels have corrupted, and proclaim the healing of the earth, that they may heal the plague, and that all the children of men may not perish through all the secret things that the 8 Watchers have disclosed and have taught their sons. And the whole earth has been corrupted 9 through the works that were taught by Azazel: to him ascribe all sin.' And to Gabriel said the Lord: 'Proceed against the bastards and the reprobates, and against the children of fornication: and destroy [the children of fornication and] the children of the Watchers from amongst men [and cause them to go forth]: send them one against the other that they may destroy each other in 10 battle: for length of days shall they not have. And no request that they (i.e. their fathers) make of thee shall be granted unto their fathers on their behalf; for they hope to live an eternal life, and 11 that each one of them will live five hundred years.' prior chapters list them the "captains" by name and goes into detail what each taught mankind, etc. RaineyDayHype, be cautious according to these writings The Watchers are actually fallen angels who were entrusted with directing mankind, yet got horny for human women and screwed the pooch hard for EVERYONE! So as I said, if you believe in your encounters and that they are truly Watcher's, bear in mind that God has condemned them to eternal damnation then anathema as far as God's concerned, which is a bit more harsh then the common definition. In the Biblical arena it is as if you never existed at all. That is considered a worse fate than Hell. Personally I remain open minded on everything, but very pragmatic and rational about it. The two are not mutually exclusive. Nothing is impossible, it may be improbable, but never impossible.
