The worlds veiw on drugs, acid mnore specifically

Yes, yes it is, and while I'm not one to quote the Bible on a regular basis (This may in fact be a first here for me,,,)

"Ye may not give that which is holy to the dogs, nor cast your pearls before the swine, that they may not trample them among their feet, and having turned -- may rend you"

I think it fits and you should heed that warning. If you want to explore and experience, then by all means exercise your due diligence on the topic and proceed, but do not try and convince your Luddite associates that their flat world is in fact a round one or they'll be having "concerned talks" with your parents and end up with you either in years of therapy or in an institution.

 

Id say its the power of the mouth. I say one thing about something that isnt really known about and is known to cause changes in peoples lives and shabang dominoes.

 

I feel bad for the people who don't feel comfortable enough to accept and try to understand these substances we use. Most psychedelics are by themselves relatively harmless to us. Acid for one really only affects you psychologically, besides the increased bp and nutrient loss (No blood/chemicals dripping down your spine or schizophrenia). the drugs presence in your body is gone within days, the memories of the experience are what stick. I can't say I'd recommend acid to any minor, I feel like too many people take it just to get loaded and don't realize the capacity for psychological change. Don't get me wrong, I want to have as much fun as I can on this earth, but I just don't think some people can handle that trip.

 

you sure think about drugs alot haha

 

No one is 100% open minded. Your friends are close minded about acid, I'm sure there is a lot of things you are close minded about as well. Everyone is. Their close-mindedness about acid just happens to be at odds with your opinion of it. I wouldn't hold it against them.

 

Native American tribes sent young boys on there 'vision quest' at the beginning of puberty, around age 14.

Which might seem odd to westernized minds, but there is good reason for it I think. After the brain goes through puberty and is coming into the teen years it sort of starts to harden, lock down beliefs. During this time, whatever the child is forced into doing is essentially what will get hardened into it's brain. Meaning, this age is a prime time for imprinting brainwashing structures (Christianity, Scientology, Government, Science, School, Universities, what have you). It was important for a child to go on a vision quest before there brain started locking down, so the child could find themselves, understand the world from their own inner soul, lock there brain down to their own inner soul and not end up just falling into someone elses understanding of the world, and locking their brain down into that.

I'm not saying every 14 year old should run out and dose. But the impulse for that curiosity to arise around that age certainly is unfounded in human anthropology. Especially if the guy is native american by heritage, it is in his blood to feel the urge to do such a thing at such an age.


And Jack The Stripper, while LSD may not deliver you straight to the insane asylum as some people say, it may deliver you to some very uncharted, and dark territory. You may enter a new space you will never be able get out of again.

 

Do I really need to point out that ancient (by culture standards) Native American practices are representative of a society that is completely different from the one that we live in now, and the one that Jack the stripper has grown up in?
The reason it doesn't make sense to compare what age things took place in the past to now is because back then, people died earlier, and they also matured earlier. I'd be willing to bet money that a 14 year old Native American boy from the 1500s would have been more mature, with many more life experiences, than I am or that I have today at 21.

And since we are talking about psychedelics, it doesn't really matter if the brain has "locked down" or not. The psychedelic experience is not going to be less intense or less powerful if you have it in your 20s vs. if you have it when you are 14. Psychedelics are not a systematic dogma that is taught, they are a wildly intense, unpredictable experience that will leave something with you for the rest of your life, which is exactly why 15 is too young to trip in today's world.

 

Well depending who you talk to, sex, drugs, alcohol, certain kinds of music, exposure to certain language or actions and just about everything else has different "age limits." In Canada a mom would almost certainly not offer a glass of wine to her young teenager with dinner but in many European countries it's quite different. It depends entirely on who you talk to and because it differs from person to person (both the opinions and the effects) there is no way to lump everyone in an age group together.

Not all 15 year olds are immature, stupid and ignorant. I believe there are people that age who can intelligently handle hallucinogens and use them as learning tools, and I believe that telling them they're too young will probably not make a difference in their decision to do it. Just like you can tell a teenage girl not to have sex but if she feels ready to have it she probably will...you can't assume everyone matures at the same rate.

 

It's true, there is no way to lump everyone in an age group together, but there also is no way to make a giant laundry list of all the 15 year olds in the world and write a check mark next to their name if they are ready to trip or not. What we can do is look at our society from an intellectual, existential, and cultural standpoint, and broadly speaking, make generalities about specific demographics.
You can't say something is necessarily true of everyone just because they are 15, but demographics is a reality, and the majority of 15 year olds do have certain things in common, largely because of their age.

No on here has said all 15 year olds are immature, stupid, and ignorant, or anything remotely close to that.
However, it seems quite obvious that in the modern culture of the Western world, the average 15 year old is immature, and generally hasn't even come close to figuring themselves out and being at peace with their existence, much less with that of the world around them.
The fact that Jack the stripper apparently feels frustration and anger over his friend's denial of drugs just cements my opinion that he is not prepared for a psychedelic experience at this time.

 

for the few of you that think i am somehigh schooler looking to get fucked up and party, im not. ever since german 1 which i took in 8th grade, i havent been able to learn the language i am turning to acid because i want it tochange the way i think and hopefully enable me to learn the language again. also, i am very unsocial and am hoping acid will change this. so again im not all about getting fucked up

 

If LSD wasn't so shrouded in myth and mystery and the vast population of ignorant narrow-minded people could open their minds to it the world would be a much more beautiful place.
I will never fully understand why some people want to control others so much.
LSD, Cannabis, and MDMA are three drugs which have actually improved my life and made me a better person. Alcohol on the other hand has damaged my life and many others so much both directly and indirectly, it's a crying shame that poison is more acceptable than "illegals".
I have no faith in any governments as long as any of these three drugs remain illegal.

 

I heard from Tom that 1+1 = 3. I also heard from Larry that 1+1 = 3. I've known Bob for 12 years, and he also told me that 1 + 1 was EQUAL TO 3. Wow, fuck Tom Larry and Bob, seriously. Assholes. I'm going to start finding the answers to my own equations.

 

At this point in time 15 year olds could be in any place spiritually and cognitively, some could be easily more aware and consciously developed, or less aware and consciously developed than a 15 year old in tribal societies. Just because they didn't grow up killing buffalos and married by mid-teens is no reason to assume they are any more or less capable than anything, except maybe slaying buffalos.

A 15 year old could be completely justified, and spiritually aligned, in expressing feelings of frustration and anger.

The majority of people could be said to be immature and ignorant, at any age range. I don't think such a thing has anything to do with age. Or even has to do with education, income, social or political status in anyway. In all walks of life, in all classes, in all groups there is a proportional ratio of morons to truly concious people. If you don't have it at age 15, your not going to have such a thing at age 30.

 

I didn't know there was some sort of criteria for distinguishing a moron from an enlightened being. Can you please run me through your method in passing judgment?

 

im one of those people who likes to argue 1+1=3... biologically speaking.

 

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There is nothing spiritual or clear-minded about frustration and anger rygoody. If anything, almost every path of spirituality points to these emotions as unhealthy and repressive.
In other words, a spiritually aligned person would not need to express frustration and anger because they would not feel them in the first place.

Biggest lie I've ever heard in my life.
Life is not set in stone, rygoody, it's nebulous and free-formed. Some people don't even have accessibility to orgasm at 15. Who you are at 15 is a completely different person than who you are at 30, and is in no way a barometer for who you are going to be later in life.
But hey, if you want to argue that the average 30 year old is just as immature as the average 15 year old, go ahead.

 

Me- you =

 

I acknowledge the fact that you're looking for understanding and mind expansion to help you figure out school, but I hope you do realize that you're dealing with one of the world's most potent and mind altering substances. If you think you're truly mature enough and responsible enough to trip, then I say go for it. But also let me say, you may never think or see the world around you the same again. On occasion, I take LSD about every 2 weeks and be completely amazed to what this chemical has done for me. I never imagined I could understand so much of the universe and what reality actually is. Of course, it'll be different to you since no one's mind is the same as anyone else's, but you'll be opened to thoughts and corners of your mind you never thought you had before. So; may I recommend you double-check, possibly triple-check your mental stability status and think hard about what you'll be going through.

I'm not ''hating'' on you in any way, I'm just saying, think about it.
Peace.

 

We grow neither better nor worse as we get old, but more like ourselves.


-May Becker


I'd have to agree. If a person who claimed to be spiritually aligned never felt anger or frustration I would be skeptical. But it kinda depends on whether we're talking about "spiritually aligned" at a current moment, or saying that a person is spiritually aligned in general. I doubt people who are experiencing full chakra arousal, having an isolated transcendental peak, would undergo anger or frustration during that experience, or sometimes they might. But someone who got to the point where they never experienced those things again? I doubt such a person ever existed. I personally wouldn't even want such an existence. Even Xians have Jesus getting mad in the temple with the money changers. Of course that's "righteous indignation," or sthg, lol.



Speaking from personal experience, those who took psychedelics at a younger age than me seemed to acquire certain bits of wisdom and admirable personality traits that took me much longer to find. Not to say that every teenager who trips gains wisdom. Generally speaking I think if you looked at a group of teenagers who tripped, and then looked at a group over 21 who tripped, the resulting gifts, difficulties, side effects reported would be relatively the same between the two groups.