They can't all be wrong, can they ???

Oxo

What are you talking about?

The UK’s infrastructure is struggling both social (NHS, welfare etc) and physical (public roads buildings) due to a right wing supported austerity policy.

What has it got to do with EU migrants?

I’m not responsible for other people’s racism, I’m just pointing it out. It’s not a ‘racist card’ it’s just racism.

What ‘common sense’ are you on about? Brexit makes no rational sense whatsoever.

Again what are you on about, in what way is it logical?

Sorry but without some explanation you don’t seem to be making much sense.

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And if we are going into Brexit maybe you should move this over to the Brexit Thread?

 

Balbus I can't do all the quotey things yet but will have a go at answering you. I anwered your comment purely on the voting rasism not Brexit but point taken.

A1 After Labour crashed the economy austerity was neccessary

A2 New Labour failed to predict a surge in immigration and their miscalculation has shaped British politics ever since.

A3 It's racism in your view.. Others see the problem differently.

A4 Leaving made sense to those that voted to Leave and please dont chuck the "They did not know what they were voting for" in as it is so yesterdayish now.

A5 You have heard of the saying "size doesn't matter. Well when it comes to the size of a country vs it's population size definitely matters. Now that is logic.

Over the past couple of years multitudes of facts and figures which you will be well aware of have been pulled out of the bag so I am not going to repeat data as Leaving/Staying is what it is till it gets sorted.

 

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So, if both parties are equally racist, and you only get to vote every 3 years or so.....and you are never really sure why everyone else votes the way they do......

Then how exactly are you going to enforce those principles anyway?

 

Oxo

How did ‘Labour’ crash the economy?

You do realise it was a worldwide crash don’t you or did you think it only happened in the UK?

I mean was the Labour Party the ones that sold Americans mortgages they couldn’t afford for example this makes no sense can you please explain your thinking?

Austerity isn’t necessary why do you think it is?

Again what are you talking about what surge and how did it ‘shape’ British politics? This comes across with all the substance of a Daily Mail headline.

What does that even mean? Racism is racism calling it something else doesn’t stop it being racism.

I mean do you see racism differently, as something positive?

But the problem is that leaving didn’t make any rational sense and I have not meet one leaver that has been able to give any rational reasons for doing it.

How could it have made sense to them if they couldn’t and can’t defend it from criticism or give any rational reasons for doing it?

And the problem is that I’ve had long discussions with many and heard from many others and a hell of a lot of them didn’t know what they were voting for.

But in the context of a reason for Brexit it doesn’t seem to make sense we could talk population density if you want but again what is your point your argument?

Oh let’s just ignore all the warnings about what might happen if we jumped out of a plane without a parachute at 10,000 feet as things will sort themselves out one way or another, bye Geronimooooooooooo…..

I mean honestly you seem to be saying to people don’t think, don’t plan, don’t try and limit harm, just see what happens do you think that is a ‘logical’ idea?

 

What has increasing the population got to do with struggling infrastructure, health system.

Are you serious?

So its not really racism, its just you calling people racist

 

VG

I notice you couldn’t actually give an answer

And if someone is been racist what do you call them?

 

Donald Trump ???

 

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in this thread, I did answer the question, Yes I believe 150 UK MPs could be wrong, I believe that could happen quite easily

I noticed you deflected answering a question by saying I didnt answer an unspecified question though

 

VG

Me - The UK’s infrastructure is struggling both social (NHS, welfare etc) and physical (public roads buildings) due to a right wing supported austerity policy. What has it got to do with EU migrants?

You

Me - I notice you couldn’t actually give an answer

I'll rephrase it for you -

The struggling infrastructure and health system is due to an unnecessary austerity policy and what has the policy of austerity got to do with EU migrants?

 

Oxo said

"too many imigrants/migrants etc arriving"

So I hope by the use of "EU migrants" you are not trying to misrepresent what he said. EU migrants would of course include all migration between all EU countries

 

Sadly if UK politicians say this is true it only encourages Trump voters. To them the UK is a terrible place where police are afraid of Muslims. They don't have guns and they are weak. It's why we won a war against them and why the white English are dying. They simply don't know what right and wrong is only a MAGA person does.

Like a cult the more the outside think it's dangerous the more they will seek approval from within.

 

I'm not a real president, I just play one on reality TV.

 

VG

He said - A lot of people were and still are aware of the struggling infrastructure of such a small island with too many imigrants/migrants etc arriving.

And I pointed out - The UK’s infrastructure is struggling both social (NHS, welfare etc) and physical (public roads buildings) due to a right wing supported austerity policy. What has it got to do with EU migrants?

SO to repeat the question that you (or Oxo) STILL haven’t answered

The struggling infrastructure and health system is due to an unnecessary austerity policy and what has the policy of austerity got to do with EU migrants?

I’m not try to misrepresent anything, I’d just like you and Oxo to answer the question.

 

The thing is while there are right leaning politicians that will call out Trump, as a group the right of the US and the UK are in many ways similar and pump out similar misleading or false propaganda to what seem like wilfully ill-informed supporters.

To me the British right winger populists are just lagging behind Trump, they are still nodding toward racism and bigotry so as to give themselves plausible deniability if ever pulled up on it. They whistle softly rather than shout into a megaphone, I’m wondering if that will change.

 

Yes, but they're not using their mouths when they whistle are they ???

 

Good Day to you Balbus.

I thought I had answered your replies to my satisfaction

Most of these topics seem to interlink back to each other one way or another with there reasoning so I am curious about your stand on Remaining and the what you have now benefits..

You ask all the whys and wherefores of those that want to leave but do those that wish to remain know what the EU's long term goals are.?

 

Oxo

LOL you must have extremely low levels of satisfaction, I hear they have medicine for that condition these days LOL

So basically you are making excuses (and feeble ones at that) because you are unable to answer my simple questions

Have you asked yourself why that is?

I mean if your position was good couldn’t you defend it rather than just instantly waving the white flag.

[And to all leavers] why is it that no leaver seems able to explain their views in any rational way - NOT ONE.

Have you read the Brexit thread if not you should I don’t wish to repeat myself

Brexit

And once again if we are going into Brexit I think we should do so there.

 

OK

 

The long term goals of the EU include encouraging the US to keep paying for half the costs of NATO and the UN, to prevent the entire middle east and part of northern Africa from invading western Europe and killing everything that moves. The EU is the same old entrenched banking wealth that has always dominated all of Europe, making it a tempting prize since the days of the Roman empire, when the Germans would periodically sack Rome. Let them eat humus!

 

You started with a blatantly false premise in the first place; the way too vague

"The UK’s infrastructure is struggling both social (NHS, welfare etc) and physical (public roads buildings) due to a right wing supported austerity policy"

Then asked

"What has it got to do with EU migrants?"

Changing what he said to broaden it to EU immigrants, to try ad a further level of confusion

Your usual tricks.

I didnt answer, because I need you to explain that first part. What level of government, or even what organization are you talking about with "right wing" . If government, what do you mean by "supported" other than to suggest some kind of conspiracy rather than legislation and how is it classified by you as austerity


But most importantly explain how strains on infrastructure could only be caused by a "right wing supported austerity policy" and somehow independant of immigration numbers; increasing the number of people that use said infrastructure.

In your reply, I will expect a personal attack, probably an irrelevant definition of "right wing" to deflect these questions and of course pretending immigrants dont use infrastructure



As for "[And to all leavers] why is it that no leaver seems able to explain their views in any rational way - NOT ONE"

Not one in capital letters.

There is one that has been said to you many times, 85% of the worlds countries arent in a european socialist union, and have hard borders, most arent facing economic collapse
We are scratching our heads wondering what you are even on about.

Another simple reason is tariffs for non EU member countries are ridiculously high which stifles trade

But I'm sure you will conbtinue to pretend leavers never tell you one rational one, not one in capital letters