This absolutely sucks.

hmn, i had to take em when i was younger, i would just break them up in to smaller bits and down em, cuz otherwise i would lways choke

 

that made the pills taste worse!! lol. i dunno it may be the reason i'm not even 5'..

 

i dunno, mine were flavoured, tasted like apples, but really powdery- it said i was suppose to suck em like a sweet, but i would just swallow them- its like sucking a bath bomb i suppose, all the powder spreading in ur mouth :S

 

ur lucky..mine were just nasty..no flavor..tasted like chalk..only chalk tasted better..i used to actually eat chalk and it was quite flavorful..

 

^ i hear that pregnant women start craving calcium and some actually eat chalk to relieve the cravings, something to do with the baby needing it for its developing bones or something, or just if the body lacks it too much, and yeah it was powdery just like chalk

 

well anyone who has a deficiency can have pica cravings (that's the term)..and it's usually in people who are iron deficient that crave chalk. i never craved it though, just tasted it once and liked the taste...just like when i could actually stomach eating fish certain fish tasted like iodine..very gross, strong taste..blech

 

I would never fish or hunt, but in a sense I do respect that some people kill their own food instead of getting it pre-packaged for them in the store. My uncle loves to hunt and he always brings up vegetarianism/hunting with me. He tries to prove to me that hunting isn't wrong, that it's natural and he's keeping the ecosystem balanced by killing the ones that would've otherwise died of starvation. That's bullshit. How many hunters do you know that kill only the sick/weak/dying deer? When a person hunts, they get the biggest one with the best meat to hang as a prize on their wall. They hunt for sport, not to keep the ecosystem balanced. I'm not saying this about all hunters, because I hardly know them all, but I have yet to hear/know of someone who doesn't do it for sport/to get the best meat.

It would be a lot more natural to hunt if the hunter made his own weapons/didn't use weapons at all. Sure it's easy to go to your local hunting store and buy the best bow and arrow/gun, but that takes absolutely no skill. I'd like to see if even half the hunters of today could kill an animal by a weapon he made himself (skill), or by his own bare hands. The lioness you mentioned uses no weapons, that's hunting, that's natural. The way people 'hunt' today is neither.

 

touche

 

Dude, I was just explaining why I dont eat meat in response to the one girl explaining why she is vegan. I was just stating that I find it gross, but that I dont choose to avoid it because of animal cruelty and all that crap, there is plenty of people cruelty toO! But yea, I was simply voicing my opinion, I doubt that is going to "ruin" eating meat for people who already do lol. Please dont take what I said out of context, I dont go around saying that it is gross often, I only say that when my choice of diet is brought into question

 

^ yeah i realised, i sayd i read it wrong

 

something ive never understood about veganism/vegetarianism and the like, is why you feel that you cant eat milk, meat, etc. IMHO, if the animal is already dead or the milk has already been taken from the animal, then its too late to save that animal. i understand that u are taking a stand against cruelty to animals and things of that nature, but since the animal is already dead..... perhaps just once u could eat a very small amount of what you normally are against?

 

Oh yea bwahaha I just realized THAT too Sorry man, I apologize Im an ass :&

 

np

 

Well I understand that, but like I said I just dont like the taste of meat or the actual idea of eating it, it just makes me uncomfortable. I mean if I had to to survive I would, Im not THAT insane lol. But also for some reason I have a digestive problem when it comes to meat, I dont know its like it would sit in there for days when I was younger and used to eat it, and would cause all kinds of problems and make me sick.

 

you but u dont have butchers groing cows till they die by themselves, this would make them old and tasting foul.

also its not about the milk being taken and it being too late now, more of an idea if everyone stopped eating meat, there wont be any profits- so they would stop butchering them. or if no one drank milk- there wont be no point to milk any.

just like the stuff u hear about stopping to eat cod because it will become instinct- if noone eats it there wont be any money involved in fishing it so it will be left alone

 

Exactly.

And about the animal already being dead, I can't save it so why not eat it-- I understand what you mean, and in a way it's true, but if I were to eat it I'd be contributing to the suffering by giving money to the meat industry, that's basically saying 'I support factory farming'. Money aside, it'd just make me feel horrible.

 

In response to the hunting post. Let me first preface that I don't hunt, though could and would if the need arised. And I think hunting simply for sport is just utterly bewildering.

However there is sound theory behind what your uncle is saying. We've fucked up the environment in many areas such that some animals have an unnatural advantage (deer being the main culprit) thus mucking with the ecosystem even more than we have. Deer can totally devastate a wilderness area like you wouldn't believe, and the only reasonable way to keep that population under control and prevent further damage to said ecosystems is to kill em.
Cold? Yea possibly, but that's nature.

Same thing as how forest fires really aren't all that bad if they're allowed to happen naturally. But they're not, so we get these huge wildfires now and then.

And until such time that we wipe ourselves off the planet or find a way to live more in tune with nature that's the way it's going to be.

As for the vegan/omnivore issue - I don't begrudge people of their choices if they don't begrudge me mine.

I like to call myself an opportunistic-vegetarian. I eat mostly veggies, but I also eat beef and chicken. And I agree with those against factory farming, but that's more a symptom of a larger problem than just diet preferences.

You are never going to stop people from eating any meat at all. It's just not a natural healthy diet IMHO.
Though I don't disparage those who chose to follow vegan-ism.
Cool for you, kudos even.
What I personally have a problem with is those who want to tell ME what to do and act all indignant when I blow them off.

Seriously, there are hugely more important issues in the world to be concerned with. Let's start with getting PEOPLE to stop killing each other en mass, and then worry about the animals.

 

I don't find that natural at all. We messed up the ecosystem in the first place by our unnatural tendencies, so going on killing the deer is carrying out our unnatural mistake, possibly worsening it. Humans think they're way too superior to every being, we have no right to judge which animals we think are fit to live or die. If we're so superior, we wouldn't be in all the mess we're in today. I don't see the animals destroying the environment or having wars, they live in harmony as much as possible and have since they first walked the earth. We don't fit in. What gives us the right to tear down their habitats for our gain, to raise them solely for the purpose of being slaughtered and packaged as food? It all goes together. Leave the deer be and let nature decide what happens. That's natural.

I think veganism is closer to living in tune with nature than supporting factory farms.

I hope I'm not coming off as trying to change meat-eaters opinions, I'm really only offering my point of view. I honestly don't like to bring up why I'm vegan because it leads to huge debates, so I only do when asked about it. I appreciate that you and most people in this thread are being open-minded enough about it to discuss and not attack. I respect anyone's view as long as they respect mine.

I know that there are more problems than those of animals, and I care about those issues, but people are naturally more inclined to a certain cause than all of them. I happen to be very passionate about animals, but that doesn't mean that I don't care about human rights. I consider myself an opportunistic-human rights activist.

Just curious, why do you think we should get people to stop killing each other before say, stopping factory farming or even the fur trade?

 

Edit: I typed a long response and it f-ed up. Allow me to retype it.

 

I understand not eating meat.. but no offense I don't understand why you won't eat eggs or milk. Its not like the cows or chickens are being killed for the milk and eggs like they are for meat. I'm not trying to be mean I just want to learn something.