This is the Healthcare Reform that many of you hate?

Haha. Le Journal de Montreal is a tabloid. Try reading Le Devoir, or La Presse for Montreal news. Just a suggestion.

Again, healthcare is delivered based on a two-tiered system as allocated through the provincial budgets and ministries.

Quebec has a very unique healthcare system. Many people have to be transported to Montreal to receive accurate surgery/treatment.

And the dude in the article being interviewed insists that he cannot go to another hospital because he is Jewish and wants to go the Jewish one for his urological problem. *shrugs*

 

I am now part of a shadow economy. I make less than the poverty line. But I live in a home that my parents paid off and left me. So I only have look to after my most basic needs. Even then it's hard to pay the real estate taxes and afford gas to get back and forth to work and feed myself. If I get injured or sick I am really screwed. I couldn't begin to provide for a family.

 

Not only is it apparently a tabloid, but in it's wikipedia article it's summarized as:

Jesus I'm looking up articles about French language tabloid papers in Canada. I need more weed, or less weed.

 

Omg. Belinda Stronach. Don't get me started on the millionaire dutchess turned politician. She is seriously the heiress of a Nazi. It wouldn't surprise me that she would pay to have treatment in the USA.

But you know, the rest of those sources are highly nebulous.

 

Welcome to my frickin' life! I look up shit on Wikipedia too often. Especially French-Canadiania shiat.

Tu veux-tu aller prendre une petite marche ce soir? J'ai envie de me sortir un peu pour prendre de l'air.

 

So what if it's a tabloid? Other tabloids include (in the US):

The Boston Herald, The Philadelphia Daily News, Newsday, The Chicago Sun-Times

In the UK:

The Independent, The Times, The Scotsman

Most people don't widely consider these to be "tabloids," as most people think of tabloids as being. It certainly doesn't say anything about the material included within, other than that it's sometimes biased to the left or the right.

It's quite convenient to resort to calling something a "tabloid" when you don't agree with what it says. Attack the messenger -- ignore the information.

We're not talking about The National Enquirer.

 

Hey Rat. You're happy with your current health insurance what carrier and how much do you and your employer pay for it? What's your deductible or co-pay? Does your plan give you a list of providers or are you free to choose the Dr. of your choice?

 

No, I am not happy with health care in America, AT ALL. I just think the "solution" that's being proposed is worse.

 

There's a difference between a technical tabloid and the more common use of the phrase tabloid, and from looking into this paper it seems to more of the latter. Not to mention you didn't refute Ari's point on the article

 

Well that's a reasonable response. What would you propose as a solution Rat? I am really interested in what your solution would be.

I am not a fan of what is being proposed either, but I don't think yelling and telling people it's going to kill granny is very productive. Especially when I have first hand experience that the for profit sector limits care and speeds granny's exit with the the use of morphine under the existing system which provides the insurance industry with mega buck profits.

 

My solution is to lose weight and eat healthy so I don't have to worry about falling prey to the system. It's called prevention.

As far as the thing about "killing granny," have you read the bill, or at least an outline of it? Have you heard what Ezekiel Emanuel has written and said in the past? Yeah, it's easy for Obama to simply get up and say none of it's true and have a good number of people believe him without even looking at the bill. Politicians are, after all, professional liars, and they rely on a gullible public to simply take their word on everything and have blind faith in the system.

 

Apparently Rat is convinced they are in fact going to kill Granny

 

If you are ever in a hospital with an ill relative and they tell you they are going to administer morphine for pain. You have five days at the most. Usually less. Say your goodbyes.

 

Well, when you refuse someone treatment because of their age, I don't know what else to call it.

Read this article. If you think it's biased or wrong, then do your own research into it and come up with a refutation that resorts to something other than your usual attempts at pigeonholing and snide remarks.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07242009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/deadly_doctors_180941.htm

 

Lose weight and eat healthy and you will live forever? That's your solution. Sorry I gave you the benefit of the doubt. It would appear you are a republican plant.

 

Call me whatever you want, pal.

Also, I couldn't care less about living forever, but while I am living I want to live in freedom, which apparently isn't an option anymore.

 

If you refuse treatment based on the ability to pay what is that called Rat? That's what happens today. Ever called to make a Dr.'s appointment? What's the first question they ask? Do you have insurance?

Some would ask are you a citizen before giving aid. Shouldn't the first concern be are you sick, are you bleeding how can we help you?

 

And this is why he's not a member of congress, and probably why he's not a practicing doctor anymore, because he probably drove all his patients away in fear. Not to mention this article is from 3 weeks ago and congress nor the president have yet to actually come up with any kind of health care plan aside from mumbling "everyone should be insured" so it's kind of hard to say exactly what the health care bill would do considering there is no bill to speak of.

And not to mention his words were taken far out of context, but thankfully polifact actually did an article on this yesterday
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter...nn-says-obama-health-advisor-thinks-health-c/

Sometimes morality is a factor in health care when everyone can't be saved. Also, sometimes quoting the entire speech puts more things into context. Now how about you read that

 

Yeah, but that's what Medicaid and Medicare are for, which Obama wants to get rid of. As far as I know, the elderly are not left to die under the current system, as flawed as it may be.

 

How can anyone live truly free when their first concern is providing for their treatment when sick or making sure their family is covered? And someday we all die. I think that's why the private insurance industry has such a foothold. Everyone someday will need their services the way the current system is set up. I can be thin and fit but someday I'll die. And probably before I die I won't feel so well and my family and friends won't deal with that well so they'll look for someone else to deal with it. So an industry was born, and you Rat want to enable it to soak the rest of us for what little descretionary funds we have left. You call that freedom, I call it extortion.