This is the Healthcare Reform that many of you hate?

What are you talking about? There is a 2,000 page health care reform bill. Are you not aware of this? Also, Ezekiel Emanuel sits on the panel of Obama's health care reform committee and has a say in what goes into this bill. I think it's pretty important for people to know where he's coming from. He's also the brother of Obama's Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel, a man with a very shady past.

What does that mean? Why would anyone in their right mind want a system the claims that not everyone can be saved, so we therefore have to deny care to certain people?

 

Again, what are you talking about? You make no sense at all. Soak you for the discretionary funds you have left? Sounds like socialized medicine to me.

Also, I don't worry about sickness and death. I worry about living life to the fullest as a free and independent person that's not the ward of a corrupt system that offers me poison while pretending it's medicine.

 

So you are in favor or Medicaid and Medicare? Do you have any idea what those programs are? Now imagine those programs not only being reserved for old folks but to everyone , that's exactly what the democrats are setting out to do and it won't make us more socialist than we already are.

 

Not your pal, never have been. While living and working I'd rather not have to worrry about paying a corporation for the priviledge...that would be true freedom.

 

Did you even read the article? And that bill means nothing, it's changed on an hourly basis as of now.

 

No, you'd rather give all your money to the government, which is owned by the corporations.

 

Show me what has changed? Yeah, a couple things have been altered after a huge public outcry. Not much. Say the bill means nothing to almost half the country that's opposed to it and see what they say.

 

Back to question 1, did you even read the article or are you still convinced Emanuel wants to kill granny

 

Never sat at a death bed have you? Never been there for someone at the end of their run? It happens to all of us eventually. But I guess some don't get involved. They have lives they can't be bothered. They expect others to deal with it. Have a brother like that. He's too important to be bothered. Sends a card and flowers, sometimes attends the funeral but only when he thinks he can network.

 

Yes, of course I read the article. I have read LOTS of articles about the slimeball. I know where he stands. The guy is a hardcore eugenicist.

 

What does sitting at a deathbed have to do with anything? Again, what the fuck are you talking about? You go off on some really strange tangents.

 

OK, this discussion is going NOWHERE so I am bowing out for the night. Unless you want to bring something substantive to the table, I am not going to waste my time

 

No I'd rather pay taxes for services I can rely on. I can vote politicians out of office. I can't make changes to corporations. They've lobbied to long and hard to become above the law, but government is still voted on. But you don't vote Rat so you wouldn't know about that.

Besides I am not talking all of my money. I am talking about a set amount one that is voted on unlike private insurance premiums which escalate every year based on mere whims. I am talking 5% of my income. Shit the way California raises sales taxes it's not a whole lot more than that and I can't tell you what exactly the benefit is I reap from those increases..

 

I guess nothing as far as you are concerned. We should get stirred up because someone is killing granny, but sitting with someone while they die is meaningless to you.

You don't worry about sickness and death. You worry about taxes and being a ward of the state, but you don't worry about paying insurance premiums for something that will probably be denied. Thing is very few states have wards any longer. Reagan saw to that through privatization. People die and maybe you aren't involved but some of us are there. Some of us do care. But we don't put a price tag on being there.

Going to tax us by the lb? Is that your solution?

 

I'd rather get back to discussing the Canadian system of health care. I think most American's would be very interested in knowing the real tax burden on ordinary citizens to produce a system that allows someone to get sick without worrying about how to pay for it.

Just what portion of wages is necessary to provide that sort of system? Not as staggering a number as the private industry would have us believe here in the States.

 

børk! børk! børk!

 

Haha. Freedom. What a joke.

 

L'amour est un oiseau rebelle. Que nul peut apprivoiser. Toujours l'insurrectionist.

 

One final link:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xa37mv_lpactv-obama-aide-emanuel-lies-abou_news

 

"nazi style euthanasists." That's quality journalism.