those who come here to preach religeon

Defence_Mechanism

Now how are you different to occam?

Because at the end of your statement..occam would have said
"with only the desire to believe what IS."

There is NO requirement to believe in god
Just as there is no requirement not to believe.

This is called free will
A thing some say does not exist...

Those that say we must believe in god say it cause THEY do...
And thus..so must everyone else.
And
Those that say there is no god...
Cannot prove a negative...
It is not rationally,physically or logically possible.

The middle road..the path of reason....

WE DO NOT KNOW.

Occam

 

thats exactly it we dont know, thats why all this arguing is futile, both people who say they know there is no god and people who claim they know there is one try to argue their point by showing that you cant prove the other, obviously you can prove neither, i dont stick to either side, but i dont spend too much time contemplating god because it is such a specific concept that even if there is something that could be called god its very unlikely that it fits such a narrow idea. And thats what i go by, percived probability. Chistians say that that is too cold of logic and that god is something more, well i never said i only folow logic, i follow my perception, thats what ive got. and i just see religeon as a bunch of people beliving what they as a group want to belive. Its ok but i see no need to be part of it.

 

Pablo

And occam deos not need to be part of it either..

Religion is a social group
Not a way to understanding.

Religion is a path to resolve questions...quickly and easily
What is god
Religion tells you what god is
Why are we here..
Religion tells you why.

Religion is the EASY answer.
An answer that sounds good..But is not actually connected to reality.

Reality sees no christian or islamic god...
Anywhere

Occam

 

sd

 

Thumontico

Yes..reality is harsh,
So what..Should thinking beings be absolved of thinking
Because it is hard to do...?
Reality is what it is...
And it will always be only what it is
Independant of what we wish it to be

How do you speak here?

Science. A thing beaten out of humanity by enviromental pressure.
Evolution.

Occam

 

hg

 

Thumontico

Occam does not exist apart from society
You suggest he does because you think occam thinks they[society]are blind and stupid. [the religious people]

Occam thinks no such thing.

ALL people are equal.. in their inherent right to exist.
And to believe what ever thay wish.

If occam thought religious people were stupid..
Would he talk to them?
Why
to convert them? To what point..earthly power...
What a crock
THAT is why most religious people talk to occam .. because they think he is stupid...
And can be converted to a invalid belief system..

And that is exactly why they argue for a few days ..then stop...
For they run into a wall,
A wall of reason and logic that they cannot surmount.
This wall is called reason.
It defines.
for us.
What is
and
What is not.

Occam has me personally..thousands that have no method...
Their method is anything society says it is
IS THIS A WAY OF LIFE?
A PATH?

Why do you not step off a cliff...reason
NOT faith in god
Why do you trust a 747 to get you to a place 6000 KM away in 10
hours
You trust ...REASON.
Human reason ..to understand reality...

SO MANY OF US SPOUT SHIT ABOUT REASON BEING FALSE.
THE thing that brings you understanding
A bloody easy life
Minimalls full of goods.
Sports cars
Movies
Condoms
Big back yards
Supercomputers
Nations
ALL A PRODUCT OF REASON

Liars. Indulgent liars...laggards and
HIPPOCRITES.
IGNORANCE...The lack of understanding
A product of no rational method

You say reason is false..yet you do so with the technology of reason.
If it is false ...then why does your PC work?

You CAN speak to occam with THE EXACT RESULT OF REASON
Yet you say it is false...


Occam


You might ask why occam presses the point of rational method,
it is because YOU SAID
"Occam is living his life by erroneous principles"

You base this on what method to understanding...???
What principles?
Your desires?
Yes...
Your truth..is truth

Occams truth,,is what he calls truth at this time.
Determined by a method...
That allows 'the definition of truth'
To change
Determined by real phenomena

Not the words of the slick and wasted.

 

As religious people we are called to both have an intimate relationship and to spread it to...so saying that its best personal isnt strictly true. And we get loads of non religious people in our part of the forum trying to punch holes in our faith and religion so why cant we explore your part? *coughfree speechcough*

Much love, Roly.xxx

 

religion doesn't tell me what God is...the only way i can find that out is having a relationship with him...just like i do with anyone else...i could live my whole life and never kno him fully. i'm cool with that tho...cuz when i go to heaven i shall be rid of earthly knowledge, gain heavenly mindset and know God fully...and i cant wait til that glorious hour

Roly.xxx

p.s what with all the Occam proposes...? just makes u sound pretentious....

 

g.

 

sdf

 

I agree about the closed mindedness of most people. Skeptics all.

Don't worry, they would not be able to keep it secret long. These things have a way of leaking out. The chaos theory, and Heisenberg uncertainty principle tend to confirm that scientific explanation have their limits. Whether these can be surmounted remains to be seen, but I wont hold my breath.

 

Thummontico

Yes it was... [directed at 'the' occam..whatever that is]
Your post on page 3 says to Occam
"i need to tell you you are wasting your life."

It takes a lot of arrogance to say that...
Occam has never said that to anyone...
And he admits arrogance in hinself.

Occam

 

geh