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I don't find it to be useless at all. On the contrary, it helps to keep me at ease, as it gives me understanding of the people around me.

 

Okay. Well I find it useless because many times I have simply been wrong with what people in my lives have actually been giving off.

How do you know that you have an understanding of the person you are getting thoughts from? Do you ask them if your ESP reading is correct? I have asked many times when I thought for sure we were having a ESP, if my ESP reading with her was correct and she replied atleast more than twenty separate times with no. You say its useful but I doubt that because you have no way of verifying the truth behind the ESP of the people you are 'reading', so you have no way, from what I imagine would be a way to test for this, to tell just how useful it is. In short, how can know just how useful it is, if you cannot know for sure whether your ESP reading is correct? The only way I could ever believe you with my present knowledge is if you asked every single person you have utilized your ESP reading with if the 'reading' is correct and received acknowledgment.

Interesting conversation, judging from it, our exchange does not seem very serious and bitter. May the lines of communication stay open.

 

this has really gone off topic...well its gone onto the inverse of what i wanted to discuss.

My theory of awareness is that it can be a field of influence so to speak, if you are introverted then your field will be intensly focused within yourself. This creates a warping in the awareness field and attracts other minds into your own. This is how people read your thoughts when you are paranoid/anxious/psychotic.

The counter of this is when your field is spread out and even. This will allow you to share experiences of others, I have had some experience with this but only when I am in a positive mind space....which isn't that often

 

Well, I definitely believe it's true, just due to the numerous experiences I've had. So, so many. I would have to be crazy not to believe it, in other words. But whether you accept that it's true or not, it's useful in that it's incredibly fascinating. It keeps me amused to no end. My biggest fear is probably that it will go away.

I don't think there is any way to absolutely verify it, even if I did ask. People can always lie. People get confused about their own thoughts. People have their own personalities, and they'll say what they want to say/be who they want to be...or who they want to be perceived as... People are very dedicated to how they want to be perceived.

Personally, I got what I asked for, but to each their own. Our conversation shouldn't be personal, since it is a matter of science and should be treated objectively.

In my experience, people have just thought I was paranoid when I was paranoid. They never focus in on my specific paranoia, except as guesswork.

 

I've had numerous experiences as well. I come from a reality that was completely convinced of this, beyond all doubt. I have had thousands of experiences that seemed to have proved this beyond all doubt. Still I see that it is not verifiable and you have no way of proving it beyond personal experience. What concerns me is that you may make some bad decisions in your life such as me, based on this reality, which by no means is verifiable.

I almost recently was contemplating leaving everyone I have ever loved, even the person I loved most, my fiancee' because I somehow thought she was psychically attacking me, on behalf of something that happened in the past life. It was at this point where I took a great awesome look at the way I was feeling, I stayed up all night walking back a forth from the kitchen to my room, until finally just as the sun came up, I began to get at the root of my problem and it had nothing to do with a psychic attack, though at times I sweat without any doubt, like you say, I was completely convinced I had to leave her. Honetly, like people are hardly even aware of what they feel and why they feel it, yet they somehow can project things to us psychically?

Its been a few weeks and my life has been alot better, though I admit before it was amusing, it almost robbed me of probally the best and hardest thing to find in life, a passionate, open minded, sexual partner, something I wouldnt even wish on the people that I have the worst most destructive relationship with.

 

maybe you're not as paranoid as you could be. or maybe you don't believe the paranoia enough, idk

I've been sitting in someones room and they've discussed things that happened to me the day before (in another city)...not discussed as such but re-en-acted it between one another then laughed at how uncomfortable it made me.

 

I appreciate your concern. I really have no control over it, though. It seems like the only way to turn it off, actually, is to really try and listen for it. Otherwise it's just natural. I'm not too concerned about verification. Really, there are things which we generally accept as being true that there is no way to verify. (Pretty much everything, since we can't experience anyone else's mind firsthand.) If I wasn't 100% sure that this is happening, I wouldn't say anything, but as it is, I thought I would experiment with discussing it.

I think I'm more careful now than I was before. When it first happened, I had no idea that I hadn't invaded other people's minds as well. Many times I thought I was going to be murdered. It's really opening my eyes and showing me how to respect other people.

 

I have been as paranoid as I possibly could be...

So they weren't with you when whatever happened happened and then they would somehow know what happened?

I may have had similar experiences... I propose that there is more to our world that we're only aware of on a subconscious level. If it's something so specific, that's just the dream. And then people laugh because it makes you so uncomfortable, but they don't know the exact specifics of it. It's just funny that you'd take it so personally... Just a theory.

 

I've been told by someone who made a hobby out of making people uncomfortable that its very difficult to explain how it works...its not a dream, its a story they make up. Some times people will make up stories without realising it, or perhaps the paranoid observer finds a story within what they are saying. This opens a path, a resonance almost...ie the story teller knows the frequencies of the elements (emotions really) and they feel those emotions resonating in the observer. this in a way leads to the observer opening up.

Yeah they do laugh at me because i get into it so much. But it goes further than that, much further..eventually they can get caught up in it as well and they get a bit angry when this happens because well i start to have more influence over their thinking than is fair

 

I minored in philsophy and I have to conclude that you simply are accepting something that you can easily be mislead by.

I saw this and had to conclude;

"Really, there are things which we generally accept as being true that there is no way to verify."

The major problem with this.

First I would have to point out that you are speaking on behalf of some un-verified group of people that may or may not reflect my beliefs, by saying we.

Second you did not provide any examples which would prove this.

Finally, you accused me of accepting something without logical verification because you seem to categorize me into the 'we' that accepts things without verification and without a known method of verifying it.

I do understand where you are coming from and do not wish to insight that you were insulting me. I honestly ask for clarity on what exactly this group is and what types of things they accept blindly(which in some instances has benefits) and why percieve me as a part of this group.

Good health and fun loving.

-_-;

 

im confused did u mean to quote something?

the premise of all metaphysics is to believe something that maybe misleading. It's all inspirational crap, shooting the breeze, seek and yee shall find etc etc.

anyway as to the veracity of all this junk...or at least the practicality...

there's this idea that you should only work out something to 85% before attempting anything...any less might be haphazzard...anymore is wasting time and you'll prob never get something done. It's not a rationally verifiable approuch...yet it works. So does telepathic communication, you don't know that such and such is a trust worthy person and you maybe wrong at some point but you have to decide sometime. That choice, what is it really based on? Theres this foundation of belief that you create out of logic, inferences and what not...depends on your personality as to what the structure is. then theres the leap of faith or logic which may or may not pay off, you won't know until you land on your feet again

 

Good point. I agree with utilizing this to its fullest extent and through verifying whether it is true of not through utilizing it.

Presently, utilizing it for me has lead to small consequences that one relationship of mine has the capacity to be at peace with. However, it almost had the consequence of me doing some ridiculously fatal crap, life altering massive mistake. The reason I know it is a mistake is because the moment I decided to look into my problem, leaving all these forms of experiencing and understanding it aside, I WAS able to begin my recovery from it. This shows me that I could have made a massive mistake, considering that the problem had NOTHING to do with what these psychic conceptualizations of reality had to offer me.

I hope that you find only positive things with this road, as I do to my own future.

OH lol...What a posted was for the guy with that fluff toy in his sig.

 

The group I was speaking of was the human race, which is why I included you. It's just a simple fact that there is no way of garnering firsthand knowledge of another person's experience (i.e. You would have to become that person.) I do take this seriously, though it isn't generally acknowledged; it's reality. I think it's crazy not to acknowledge it, whereas the majority of people ignore it/treat it like it's garbage.

But the reality is mysticism. There's just no way of knowing, in actuality.

Straight outta compton!

 

is that the monkey who smokes frank furters...and sits at a business chair. flat beat or soemthing?

 

I don't think you need to be exactly "paranoid" for this to happen. Hell, iv'e been paranoid alot of my life, but when i finally had this phenomenon happen, i had about all my paranoid instincts under control. Mabey i'm naturally paranoid, but i get myself to not give a fuck. So that gets rid of 95% of it at least. I wrote one of my experiences in the mental health section where this thread also is..

 

"It's just a simple fact that there is no way of garnering firsthand knowledge of another person's experience"

To end with psychology and medicine, because this is exactly what they base their knowledge on and treatments on, knowing what other persons experiences mean, especially the experience of their physical and mental pains. Judging by thge fact that they have successfully healed people in the past, psychology and medicine obviously have some way of verifying peoples experience, namely of mental and physical pains.

Your point is difficult to address because it ultimatly says that there is no way of knowing peoples experiences, when in fact this is knowledge that in itself must be verified and proved logically to some extent. It ultimatly is a contradiction.

 

I was inside my wife's head once, looking out through her eyes. This was before we were married, while we were talking on the phone 2000 miles from each other. I verified the experience by telling her what she was doing, and she agreed. Also I've had years of extensive evidence that there are other people who can do this with me, only much better and longer - in fact, they are inside my head looking out through my eyes 24/7.

 

To what extent were you looking out of her eyes? As in, how much were you able to see? This is something that I could definitely believe, given that what you are saying is true. Neospectralist, this is the type of verification that was the centre of our conversation. I find this type of verification difficult to achieve wit ESP. Can you search your experiences for such verification wherein the person you were trying to ESP with verified your inclination?

 

It doesn't actually have to be verified by you for me to know for a fact that I can't experience exactly what you are experiencing. I just know it, regardless of whether or not you claim that I actually do. I agree there are benefits to making the assumption, but it's not an airtight container -- it just isn't. That is to say that not everything that is true necessarily needs to be able to be validated in order to be regarded by the individual as true.

And this is something that is generally accepted in everyday conversation as well. I might say, "You know, I'm really a good person." Can you validate that? Probably not -- you can't keep an eye on me 24/7. All you have is my word.

I don't disbelieve what zengizmo is saying, but it surprises me that you're so ready to believe what he is saying, given people's predisposition to believe in the paranormal. To convince themselves of things that aren't true, because they want to believe. As far as I'm concerned, his wife agreeing with him is no better than me saying something happened to me. You're just taking her word for it. No offense to zengizmo; I'm not saying that his story isn't true.

In the end it's all about how useful it is and producing proof. I don't think that's what this thread is trying to accomplish. At most maybe it's about opening minds, but I make no pretense of providing proof in this thread. So enough about proof and why don't we talk about more experiences.

 

It surprises you that I believe what he is saying with good reason. However, again, I do not mean to come off condescending.

Take a look at this.

"To what extent were you looking out of her eyes? As in, how much were you able to see? This is something that I could definitely believe, given that what you are saying is true. Neospectralist, this is the type of verification that was the centre of our conversation. I find this type of verification difficult to achieve wit ESP. Can you search your experiences for such verification wherein the person you were trying to ESP with verified your inclination?"

The other example given, of the eyes is a type of thing is easier to verify because there is little room to come a conclusion that was not through the method that youclaim to be using.. For example, you ESP me after something happened to me. You say "Is this what you are thinking?" I say "Yes, how did you know?" You make a claim for ESP. Next day same thing happens with another person and they say they know what im thinking but do not make a claim for ESP. In this exmple the verification can be arbitrary because ithe result(knowledge of what I am thinking) has the potential to come from both methods of attempting to understand the thoughts.

However, in the example that he gave, it would be easier to not make a mistake in verification, because you could easily do something that is very hard to predict simply by drawing reference on past experiences(such as can be done to find out what someone thinks) and see if your method(seeing through a persons eyes) is actually a useable way of understanding others experiences.

Ie. Many people say when they pray go answers them. They can verify this by praying and getting what they wanted from the prayer, if they asked hard enough. What these people are not aware of is the likihood that there is anoter process that exists in the universe that is identical to the maifestation process in prayer"(using intention and mantra repeatedly) that would manifest what they are praying for AND making them believe that a GOD is answering. In fact, if you look at the manifestation process of 'the secret', which involvs repeated mantra and intention to achieve results, we can conclude that it could quite possibly be that since the process o prayer and the sectret are idnentical that people may not be being answered by GOD, but manifesting something through the processes of the universe. However, since some people are ignorant to this process and its potential to have bearing over the manifestation they could not logically account for otherwise, they attribute it to the only idea that makes sense "God" and the power of prayer. I have come to believe that it is possible for this to exist, but I am still not convinced and THEREFORE I generally stick to what I can verify more compleltly without mistake - verbal communication. I am essentially open to the Idea that it could work, but realize the belief that it is not as verifiable and thus as useful for me as verbal communication and open honest exchanges.