Thoughts on the Abortion of human babies

Pro-choice means its YOUR choice, and yours alone. You deal with the consequences.

Because this is what you actually said:

I'm pro-choice and pro-abortion, so you were talking to me.

 

Then you would have been one of those people to judge me and my pregnancies. You would have been one of those people who believed I should have had an abortion.

So if that's you, how do you think and feel about a person who WASN'T aborted .. when you think they should have been?

That's the point I'm making, and the point you continue to ignore. I don't think you misunderstand at all .. I think you're outright ignoring it.

 

You don't know and I don't know what my advice might have been, because that conversation never happened. If you had asked my opinion when you were pregnant, I would have listened carefully to the facts before giving you an honest answer, based on what I knew at that time. But the final decision still would have been yours, as it always should be.

I'm glad everything turned out the way you wanted it to.

Your reverse logic doesn't make any sense. It proves nothing. Your kids turned out okay. So what? They could have been serial killers. You didn't know in advance. How about all the kids that could have been born if you had sex every time you ever wanted to, but didn't? Maybe some of them would be winners too. Do you feel bad about that?

Analyzing all this through hindsight makes no sense. It comes dangerously close to playing God, which none of us are qualified to do.

You made your own decision about each pregnancy, at the time that it happened, and you have dealt with the consequences. That's the way it works.

 

Not reading another word from you. It is crystal clear to me that you're completely ignoring the point.

 

Someone once said....why is is called abortions for humans and omelettes for chickens?

imagine it is because some humans think they are the only life that matters?

Again...I am for pro choice. I do not think a woman's choice or a couple's choice should be policed. Freedom of choice. Once you take that freedom away, what next?

 

There is no real freedom of choice when people think it's okay to try to influence, encourage or even coerce somebody to abort. And that sort of behavior happens a lot.

I suppose it's the black spot in the abortion talk that people don't want to acknowledge.

 

No one should coerce anyone into anything. I do not tell people to not abort or to abort. It is their business......

 

I do try to mind my own business.

Won't even tell my brother what to do,unless he asks for advice.....If I don't agree with something he is doing....what can I do about it. He is free to make his own decisions and growing and learning....I have this attitude for everyone.

 

My mom got pregnant in the late 60s as a teenager and her parents sent her away to a neighboring state for the duration of her pregnancy and birth. She was forced to give the baby up for adoption.

Parents and family have, in less tolerant times, forced or coerced young mothers-to-be into all sorts of fucked up things to avoid shame and embarrassment. Now we have this culture of embracing and glorifying teenage pregnancy, which isn't really all that great either but I do think its a step above treating young pregnant girls like lepers.

Sorry this happened to you but its really something personal between you and your family. It doesn't have anything to do with the pro choice movement as anyone who is pro choice sees it as just that - a deeply personal choice.

 

If there is no freedom of choice, your kids wouldn't exist.

 

I understand the people who think abortion is okay, and they call themselves pro-choice .. but that isn't what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about people who judge females and their pregnancies. I'm talking about people who encourage females to abort. There's a difference.

Of the 20% statistic mentioned, people would be naive to think that ALL of those females made their own free-will choice. I guarantee that many of them were influenced and encouraged .. and some were likely coerced.

 

No, it isn't between me and my family. Society very much had a strong influence and impact.

As a matter of fact, when I got pregnant with my second child (I was 18 years old) .. I told somebody who responded, "and who's gonna pay for THAT one, me with my taxes?"

It was the rudest, most ignorant thing to say to me. She only said to me *directly and personally* what everybody else was saying in general. She wasn't nearly the only person with that sort of asshole attitude.

A few years later, I gave birth to a Tax Day baby. How cosmic.

 

You can't defend your position, because it's based on the bogus assumption that the kids you have now are somehow superior to the kids you could have had later, when you were in a better situation. You have no way of knowing that, since you never met that second group of kids. You don't know anything about them.

That's what I mean by playing God. Nobody on earth is wise enough to figure all that out.

You and I are only responsible for making decisions about our own bodies, our own health, and our own reproduction. The world is going to go its own way.

 

Way to keep it going after I already said I was done with you about the matter. But okay, I'll betray my word and respond to you for the LAST time -- no matter if you choose to keep arguing with me.

I have made it clear *numerous* times now. I gave you the benefit of the doubt .. assumed you simply misunderstood .. but you have made it abundantly clear that you're flat out *ignoring* my point.

This is when I'd feel compelled to upload pictures of my son when he was a baby .. and pictures of him as a little boy .. and now as a grown man. And say it again: that's the face of the "parasite" that people wanted to RIP OUT OF MY WOMB. According to many, many, MANY people .. my son was NOT welcome and NOT wanted to be born. I dare those people to say it to his face.

If you don't get the point by now, then it isn't a matter of your ignorance .. but stupidity.

Go ahead and piece together the few things I've already mentioned. A picture starts to form:

I was born on Candlemas - The Presentation of Christ
My eldest daughter was born on Childermas - Holy Innocent's Day
My youngest daughter was born on Tax Day

And my oldest child - my son - completes the picture.

In order of their birth, and without intention, my children's initials spell: AGE

Quite a fucking story and let me tell you something..

Would it make sense for me to say to a 24 year old pregnant married woman and home owner, "you really should consider having an abortion"?

It certainly wouldn't be appropriate for her and it was NEVER appropriate to tell ME that I should have killed MY children.

I had HORRIFIC pressure put on me to have abortions. That's plural.

And it was never justified or warranted.

p.s.

I think abortion is murder and is wrong.

I got pregnant for a 4th time and STILL would never consider abortion. Fuck that. I prayed and my prayer worked. Because of THAT fact alone, abortion is wrong. Just repent and pray. I did it, so can anybody else. Or maybe I'm just religiously blessed and special, huh?

 

Gina, I'm glad your children worked out for you. It's great that they are happy and you are happy.

But what are you trying to say? There are plenty of people, no matter how faithful in God, whom raising unwanted children doesn't work out for. Most teenage moms struggle a whole lot, and many of them never recover or make well for themselves or their children.

If God blessed every religious person on this earth with your kind of luck, abortion would never be an issue. But He doesn't, and it is. Your situation is an exception, not a rule.

 

I didn't have luck. I prayed. Prayers aren't luck. jeez.

I've already communicated my point, countless times now. Three people - my children - were each one and all unwelcome to be born. Other people chose to judge my pregnancies and deemed my children unworthy to be born.

And what would those sorts of people say to my children today if they faced them?

Not sure why people in this thread are causing me to have to repeat myself half a dozen times.

 

I don't have a problem with abortion. I honestly think it should be mandatorily used in certain circumstances.

It's baffling that anybody can just raise their hands (or spread their legs) and have kids when they want. Hell to obtain a car loan you're scrutinized with repayments, can you afford a loan, do you have a job.... all for the sake of car chassis and an engine yet when it comes producing a human life even the most incompatible of all people are allowed to have them even if they can't afford them or take care of them properly. There should be a system where you need to prove you're a trusted parent. You should need the funding, the knowledge etc. before you're allowed to conceive.

Abort anything that isn't in that boat.

 

Mandatory, ha.

When I'm feeling particularly demonic and like a "bat shit crazy" bat out of Hell, I usually say that the females looking for abortion should be forced to name the father and then the two of THEM can be aborted. Mean, isn't it? It's just a rude, crude, sarcastic thought .. not anything I actually believe in. But it sure is rude and crude.

Want to know what's really interesting? In Hindu, they say the beginning of the end of the Universe is when the 10th gate is open. The 10th gate is the cervix. Considering the population explosion over the past 100 years .. I'd say the 10th gate is WIDE, WIDE open. Endlessly interesting.

People have a right to have children. If they can't care for them, they deserve SUPPORT. There are many people who love their kids and want their kids but don't have all the means and abilities to raise the next Bill Gates or something. But to say that the solution is abortion, or adoption .. is just evil.

I was that single mom with three kids .. getting the food stamps and state health insurance and the section-8 housing support. I sure did pay for it. There's tremendous amount of HATRED against a mother like me, and a family like mine. Attitudes against me were horribly taxing and burdensome. People sure can be brutal.

 

At this moment, I'd say to them, "I'm sorry your mom acts like a total piece of shit. It must be hard for you."

 

If you purposely bring children into this world that you know you do not have the means to support, then you are acting selfishly, and your children will suffer as a result of your behaviour.

Society has a responsibility to make sure your children are fed, clothed, and have a roof over their heads, but society has no responsibility to be nice to you while doing it.