Thoughts on the possibilities of shared conciousness?

magic_rocks · Dec 19, 2012

In my experience, this sort of event eventually gives rise to even stranger occurrences, for which there is no common name (in English) but could roughly be considered as causal-acausal (i.e. purposefully designed) meaningfully connected coincidences. Synchronicity with the added dimension of direct control from unseen and unknown sources to a point where 'all is in tune' so to speak, where 'all' is operated simultaneously by some kind of further fundamental; I hesitate to refer to it as divine-mind and realize that this does not do it justice as it is only a reflection on the surface level. What it implies is horrifying and so-called impossible and, in my opinion, could only occur if it were a given that our actual lives are rather something resembling our dreams. For those of us with psychedelic history this is sometimes taken for granted, but still this state of mind is something I rarely see discussed, and understandably so. Predeterminism as a concept is as old as dirt; what I wonder at is how many people have been given subjective personal 'proof' of this, not solely in the manner of a vision, but in actuality, having handed over the reigns to it and watched it unfold? I do not know what 'it' is, and can only hope somebody has undergone the same existential review, preferably more than once, in order to discuss this further.

tastyweat · Dec 19, 2012

I know what you're referring to, I believe.

Part of this same trip, I had a visual of a basic lattice structure sitting at the base of the universe... it didn't seem like a set of particles, it seemed like an "order".

An I commented when I saw it that it was only disturbed by our influence/consciousness... my interpretation of that could be, there is supposed to be an order like that which you speak... but perhaps our presence, our sentience, our consciousness can directly influence it, or at least make it wiggle out of line a bit?

tastyweat · Dec 19, 2012

Voyage said:

It's eerie to see the connection between the observer effect, quantum entanglement, and the psychedelic experience.
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VERY!

It's such a shame this stuff is illegal everywhere... it would be great to organise a meetup/trip with you guys :sunny:

tastyweat · Dec 19, 2012

NoxiousGas said:

I think it is a pretty awesome "feature".
The more I learn on all fronts, the more I have come around to the idea that reality is a dynamic interplay between consciousness and the energy/matter that comprise what we experience.
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Well, when you think about it on a very basic level... we each possess our own, individual, universe... it's what's inside our heads.

Each consciousness is effectively a unique universe.

Although with the possibilities of alternate universes... every idea, every potential collision, every last little thing that has more that 1 outcome... is a brand new universe. The possibilities are mind-boggling.

I've posted this before... but I really love how this post from someone else on another forum puts an idea branched from this across:

Hello! I am new here and decided to make a topic. I know there is already a dmt topic but it is old and it seems more efficient to start a new discussion.. I have been thinking about the nature of reality in relation to imagining the tenth dimension and my own experience..

We are all hyper-dimensional beings. Not only do we have 3D bodies in space, but 4D bodies in space time, as we are stretched out as a long four dimensional, undulating snake twisting and turning in the 5th dimension. Just as our bodies are long undulating snakes, our brains are also undulating snakes. Think of what the cerebral-cortex would look in the 5th dimension. It would be self-transforming, folding in on itself, splitting off into branches of entangled neurons..

Not only are we simply travelling down one linear 4D timeline, we are exploring all 4D paths simultaneously. We are simultaneously exploring every probability in the 5th dimension. Just like photons entering the chlorophyll of algae cells, which separate into multiple entangled photons, and travel down each path simultaneously until it finds and collapses the most efficient pathway -- consciousness too is traveling down each pathway simultaneously until it finds the most efficient, longest living path. The brain stitches together multiple timelines into one seemingly continuous "now".

So let's consider this for a second.. When we come to a near-death situation, where you just barely avoided a car accident by swerving out of the way, that was one probable branch within the 5th dimension. Simultaneously in another branch, you did not avoid death, you actually did experience the accident, and you died. But since the neurons associated with that particular timeline are no longer active, you cannot remember the experience, and you find yourself to be alive in one of the other pathways. Maybe dreaming plays a role in this, where if you die in one timeline, you wake up the day before the accident in a different timeline, so it was like it never happened, or, it only happened in a dream. So in that case, I don't think we need to fear death, because you will never experience it, you will only experience being alive in the now. What you need to worry about isn't dying, but NOT dying. If you were to become incapacitated, paralyzed for life, you would not be able to escape into an alternate reality where you are fortunate. Death is the ultimate salvation.

Reality is a novelty and information preserving engine. If you die in one 4D timeline, you are still alive in a number of parallel timelines. The information, energy, and consciousness is preserved. And what I'm proposing is, N-N-DMT is directly involved in the process of transferring consciousness across the dimensions, or entangling the neurons of your brain between realities, if you will.. DMT is produced in the pineal gland throughout your life, and it is stored in the spinal-cerebral fluid. This has been scientifically proved, that psychedelic tryptamines, including dmt, 5-meo-dmt, and other similar compounds, are all found in the cerebral fluid that surrounds the brain and spinal cord, and that the pineal gland, which synthesizes melatonin, is perfectly capable of synthesizing DMT, a cousin of serotonin.

When you die, and your brain is going through the shut-down processes of death, it absorbs the cerebral fluid for any oxygen and energy it can find. In doing so, it takes in large amounts of DMT, and your consciousness is literally taken to the edge of the universe, the sixth dimension, and beyond. Normally, if you smoke DMT recreationally, your consciousness is taken into the higher dimensions as well, but the difference is, you still have your body to return to in 5 minutes. But when you die, you no longer have that body to return to, so it must move to the next most readily available brain in the 5th dimension, that is, the body where you didn't die. Once all the 5 dimensional timelines are exhausted, from old age, it folds across the sixth dimension and enters a new body, a new life, probably along the tracks and trails of the genetic machinery.. That is, you flow into your children and your parents, your grandchildren and your grandparents, forward and backward into time. Ultimately every human being on the planet is connected together through the genetic trans-dimensional object that is DNA. All it would have to do would be to zoom back into the 2D/3D awareness and experience any scenario it wants..

DMT is the most powerful psychedelic tryptamine known to man. When you inhale the vapors, you are literally taken into a higher spatial dimension. As I said, we are beings which exist in a multitude of dimensions. We are made out of atoms, which are made out of quarks, which are nothing more than the cross-section of a superstring, vibrating in ten dimensional hyperspace. So in turn, we are all made out of these strings, which are vibrating in not only three dimensional space, but ten dimensional hyperspace.

Our brains have evolved to have this specific consciousness. It devised of serotonin, long ago, as the molecule with just the right energy to transfer the data of the outside world between neurons. It takes this 10 dimensional matrix of pure energy and information, calculates it, interprets it, and creates a two dimensional holographic simulation of 3D frame of now, the center of a rotating hypersphere, rolling through a five dimensional holographic hyper-now, being projected from the edge of the universe.

When you replace the neurotransmitter that interacts with the 5-HT receptors, from serotonin to n-n-dmt, you experience the raw data, the true nature of reality. Your conscious zooms out of the 3D world and into progressively higher dimensions until it blanks out in the white noise of cosmic oneness, the tenth dimension. First you find yourself flying through space, past the planets, galaxies, and then break through the edge of the universe. Domed rooms of 3D geometric patterns, tunnels, incredible light and energy, and beings made out pure syntax which sing objects into existence, made out of juxtapositions of qualities, emotions, textures, and memes, like some sort of six dimensional pun.

When most people think of "higher dimensions" they look up. But really, the higher dimensions are behind our eyes, or "right around the corner". The edge of the universe isn't billions of light years away, it is right behind your vision, and your third eye (brain on dmt) has access to it. Its as if you are already in the fifth dimension and you are simply looking "down" into the 3D world, where as the third eye can only look "up" into hyperspace.

You leave this 6D universe entirely, and enter a space made out of information, the 9th spatial dimension, where there are elf-like beings made out of syntax. These beings could be the "selection patterns" which choose one reality over another. They are conscious, all-loving, and probably created our universe. In a dimension consisting of information, a being would simply have to sing in order to create reality. After all, the mind of god is cosmic music resonating through hyperspace, and who knows more about music than musicians in the 9th dimension? That's why when they see you, they are ecstatic that one of their creations have become aware of their existence, and try to show you how to create these jeweled, hyper-dimensional, self-transforming machine objects.

In short, our universe is a six dimensional pun sang into existence by beings made out of language in the 9th spatial dimension, and DMT gives you access to your higher dimensional existence, and allows consciousness to continue after death. What do you think?
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http://www.tenthdimension.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2016

Everything is possible, but not everything is probable.
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A perfect way to phrase it... quantum physics really does give a methodology for anything to happen, even if it may not truly exist in this universe... what's to say it cannot interact with this universe?

Higher dimensional beings that seeded life on this planet = god (or perhaps even created the whole universe of course, or at least the bit we can perceive).

And this all loops back to that darn Egg story, lol!!! Ever since Porkstock linked me to it, I can't get away from it's wonderful view:

The Egg

By: Andy Weir

You were on your way home when you died.

It was a car accident. Nothing particularly remarkable, but fatal nonetheless. You left behind a wife and two children. It was a painless death. The EMTs tried their best to save you, but to no avail. Your body was so utterly shattered you were better off, trust me.

And that’s when you met me.

“What… what happened?” You asked. “Where am I?”

“You died,” I said, matter-of-factly. No point in mincing words.

“There was a… a truck and it was skidding…”

“Yup,” I said.

“I… I died?”

“Yup. But don’t feel bad about it. Everyone dies,” I said.

You looked around. There was nothingness. Just you and me. “What is this place?” You asked. “Is this the afterlife?”

“More or less,” I said.

“Are you god?” You asked.

“Yup,” I replied. “I’m God.”

“My kids… my wife,” you said.

“What about them?”

“Will they be all right?”

“That’s what I like to see,” I said. “You just died and your main concern is for your family. That’s good stuff right there.”

You looked at me with fascination. To you, I didn’t look like God. I just looked like some man. Or possibly a woman. Some vague authority figure, maybe. More of a grammar school teacher than the almighty.

“Don’t worry,” I said. “They’ll be fine. Your kids will remember you as perfect in every way. They didn’t have time to grow contempt for you. You wife will cry on the outside, but will be secretly relieved. To be fair, your marriage was falling apart. If it’s any consolation, she’ll feel very guilty for feeling relieved.”

“Oh,” you said. “So what happens now? Do I go to heaven or hell or something?”

“Neither,” I said. “You’ll be reincarnated.”

“Ah,” you said. “So the Hindus were right,”

“All religions are right in their own way,” I said. “Walk with me.”

You followed along as we strode through the void. “Where are we going?”

“Nowhere in particular,” I said. “It’s just nice to walk while we talk.”

“So what’s the point, then?” You asked. “When I get reborn, I’ll just be a blank slate, right? A baby. So all my experiences and everything I did in this life won’t matter.”

“Not so!” I said. “You have within you all the knowledge and experiences of all your past lives. You just don’t remember them right now.”

I stopped walking and took you by the shoulders. “Your soul is more magnificent, beautiful, and gigantic than you can possibly imagine. A human mind can only contain a tiny fraction of what you are. It’s like sticking your finger in a glass of water to see if it’s hot or cold. You put a tiny part of yourself into the vessel, and when you bring it back out, you’ve gained all the experiences it had.

“You’ve been in a human for the last 48 years, so you haven’t stretched out yet and felt the rest of your immense consciousness. If we hung out here for long enough, you’d start remembering everything. But there’s no point to doing that between each life.”

“How many times have I been reincarnated, then?”

“Oh lots. Lots and lots. An in to lots of different lives.” I said. “This time around, you’ll be a Chinese peasant girl in 540 AD.”

“Wait, what?” You stammered. “You’re sending me back in time?”

“Well, I guess technically. Time, as you know it, only exists in your universe. Things are different where I come from.”

“Where you come from?” You said.

“Oh sure,” I explained “I come from somewhere. Somewhere else. And there are others like me. I know you’ll want to know what it’s like there, but honestly you wouldn’t understand.”

“Oh,” you said, a little let down. “But wait. If I get reincarnated to other places in time, I could have interacted with myself at some point.”

“Sure. Happens all the time. And with both lives only aware of their own lifespan you don’t even know it’s happening.”

“So what’s the point of it all?”

“Seriously?” I asked. “Seriously? You’re asking me for the meaning of life? Isn’t that a little stereotypical?”

“Well it’s a reasonable question,” you persisted.

I looked you in the eye. “The meaning of life, the reason I made this whole universe, is for you to mature.”

“You mean mankind? You want us to mature?”

“No, just you. I made this whole universe for you. With each new life you grow and mature and become a larger and greater intellect.”

“Just me? What about everyone else?”

“There is no one else,” I said. “In this universe, there’s just you and me.”

You stared blankly at me. “But all the people on earth…”

“All you. Different incarnations of you.”

“Wait. I’m everyone!?”

“Now you’re getting it,” I said, with a congratulatory slap on the back.

“I’m every human being who ever lived?”

“Or who will ever live, yes.”

“I’m Abraham Lincoln?”

“And you’re John Wilkes Booth, too,” I added.

“I’m Hitler?” You said, appalled.

“And you’re the millions he killed.”

“I’m Jesus?”

“And you’re everyone who followed him.”

You fell silent.

“Every time you victimized someone,” I said, “you were victimizing yourself. Every act of kindness you’ve done, you’ve done to yourself. Every happy and sad moment ever experienced by any human was, or will be, experienced by you.”

You thought for a long time.

“Why?” You asked me. “Why do all this?”

“Because someday, you will become like me. Because that’s what you are. You’re one of my kind. You’re my child.”

“Whoa,” you said, incredulous. “You mean I’m a god?”

“No. Not yet. You’re a fetus. You’re still growing. Once you’ve lived every human life throughout all time, you will have grown enough to be born.”

“So the whole universe,” you said, “it’s just…”

“An egg.” I answered. “Now it’s time for you to move on to your next life.”

And I sent you on your way.
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I've read this story to friends on their peak and it's always lead to incredible feelings and visuals

tastyweat · Dec 19, 2012

Voyage said:

Totally possible and even probable.
I can barely grasp some of these concepts but the proven fact that the mere observation of a particle changes it ought to be enough of a foundation to realize that not all that meets the eye is fact. Add that with the fact that matter and energy are two forms of the same thing and it's no longer a stretch to imagine scientific explanations for shared consciousness and other religious/mystical beliefs.

I also love Writers observation that many of these things may happen regularly that go unnoticed. Awareness and perspective. Wish mine were better.
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When my friend got to meet his god on his DMT + LSD experience... he came out with a quote along the lines of:

"I could see him and he knew I was there... but we both knew that if he looked directly at me, I would be gone... obliterated"

The observer effect from a higher dimensional being would be astonishing & could quite easily destroy us.

Given his quantum physics knowledge is a little lacking, his understanding of the concept during and after that trip was completely spot-on... very interesting that such an idea would come from the trip.

tastyweat · Dec 19, 2012

ChinaCatSunflower02 said:

It seems like it would be a natural next step in the evolution of consciousness. I feel that we are all one consciousness anyway, so something like a shared consciousness psychedelic experience seems completely plausible.

I've gone through a very similar experience on mushrooms with my really good friend. But we tend to be right on the same page all the time, so it wasn't a surprise to share some sort of "unity" consciousness with him while tripping.

At the end of the day, everything is swimming in an ocean of consciousness, so if certain egoic defenses get broken down via psychedelics, channels can open up for strange collective experiences.

It seems to be the proto-workings of what has been talked about as the Psy or Psi-Culture. It seems natural that humans could begin to develop the beginnings of psychic capacities as we continue to evolve.

I've also been really curious if multiple people were good at lucid dreaming, could you have a collective, or shared lucid dream experience? You could pre-plan the setting and details while awake with the friend or friends, and then everyone lucid dreams the same experience by accessing some sort of collective dream "field". Is that too outlandish an idea?

And then when you wake up, you could recap certain codes or something that you pre-planned, that could prove whether you guys ACTUALLY had the same experience or not. Such as asking a very specific question to the other person that they would absolutely have to know.
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That doesn't sound too outlandish to me... sounds like something worth exploring :sunny:

Voyage · Dec 19, 2012

tastyweat said:

VERY!
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This has the makings of a good thread.

The last time I tripped someone for their first time, I did a little rap about particles, observer effect, and the like. We were all pretty high and much music.
The guy wasn't one to read about such stuff. I mentioned the ideas of (such little i know) of string theory and particle spin and vibration. And asked him if he'd ever heard of "vibes". When he said ya, and it sunk in what I was inferring too, he got quiet.
He's expressed no interest in 4 aco dmt since.

guerillabedlam · Dec 19, 2012

Voyage said:

Interesting link Guer. The bits I can grasp anyway. Alot of that is beyond me.
Could you point me in a direction that would expand some of these principles, like the known effects of different receptor sites and related neurotransmitters?
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I'll point to the basics of the function of some of these neurotransmitters. Neurotransmitters can function slightly differently depending on the area of the brain they are sending signals to. A lot of specific neurotransmitter sites implicated in the involvement of schizophreniza and/or various psychedelic drugs I've learned about on my own time and some of the specific sites I don't fully understand myself or know specifically where they are located, but perhaps some of this more basic information can be easier to grasp.

Serotonin:

As a neurotransmitter, serotonin helps to relay messages from one area of the brain to another. Because of the widespread distribution of its cells, it is believed to influence a variety of psychological and other body functions. Of the approximately 40 million brain cells, most are influenced either directly or indirectly by serotonin. This includes brain cells related to mood, sexual desire and function, appetite, sleep, memory and learning, temperature regulation, and some social behavior.
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http://www.webmd.com/depression/features/serotonin

Dopamine:

Dopamine is a neurotransmitter released by the brain that plays a number of roles in humans and other animals. Some of its notable functions are in:movement, memory, pleasurable reward, behavior and cognition
attention, inhibition of prolactin production, sleep, mood, learning
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http://www.news-medical.net/health/Dopamine-Functions.aspx

Glutamate:

Glutamate is considered to be the major mediator of excitatory signals in the mammalian central nervous system and is involved in most aspects of normal brain function including cognition, memory and learning.
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http://www.neurotransporter.org/glutamate.html

One reason I suggested there is a cumulative effect of different neurotransmitters involved with schizophreniza is that you can see how some of those neurotransmitters functions overlap. Neurotransmitters often directly influence one another as well, so it can be difficult with some of these disorders to pinpoint precise locations and. Being that a lot of the antipsychotic drugs are fairly pinpoint that could be one reason that they are generally only effective on a proportion of the population suffering from said disorder.

As this relates to psychedelics, when I see discussions of the pharmalogical actions of psychedelics (drugs in general we could argue) I often see a very limited scope of the drugs action given, which explains probably only a fragment of the psychedelic experience. I very much enjoy learning about the pharmalogical effects these drugs have on the brain and while I think that there can perhaps be a challenge to some sense of profundity you may hold in regards to the psychedelic experience, I think they can provide insight into many conditions of the human experience and I still echo Terrence Mckenna's sentiments that nothing replaces direct experience.

Here is one of those limited scope of neurotransmitter sites. The 5ht2a receptor site which is a serotonin receptor site that would probably be of most interest to you and I as it's the one the Indole (Tryptamine/Lysergamides) and Phenethylamine psychedelics drugs affect. I didn't know it perhaps may have a role in schizophrenia as well prior to searching for information on neurotransmitters but I find it interesting and thought I'd share.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK1853/

Schizophrenia: 5-HT2A is thought to play a significant role in this disorder. This is partly due to the fact that most typical and almost all atypical antipsychotic drugs used in therapy, bind to 5-HT2A receptors, as do many hallucinogens, which mimic schizophrenia-like symptoms, bind to this receptor [9–11]. Another line of investigation has led to the hypothesis that 5-HT2A, by modulating dopamine release in the striatum and cortex causes the motor and cognitive defects seen in schizophrenia [12]. Adding to these observations are postmortem studies that show altered 5-HT2A receptor expression in areas like the Brodmann area 9 of the cortex in schizophrenic patients [13] and increased expression in suicide cases diagnosed with schizoid symptoms.
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It makes me think of this sample (I'm not sure who it's from) in the song LSD by Ott "LSD tends to show us that there is an area of the mind which could be called unsane, beyond sanity and yet not insane."

tastyweat said:

Well, when you think about it on a very basic level... we each possess our own, individual, universe... it's what's inside our heads.

Each consciousness is effectively a unique universe.
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This idea is seemingly contradictory to the post in the OP topic, is this idea somehow meant to be metaphorical or is there a way you resolve the idea of possessing a unique universe of consciousness with the idea of sharing consciousness?

tastyweat · Dec 19, 2012

guerillabedlam said:

This idea is seemingly contradictory to the post in the OP topic, is this idea somehow meant to be metaphorical or is there a way you resolve the idea of possessing a unique universe of consciousness with the idea of sharing consciousness?
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I mentioned in one of my posts above.

Just because it could be considered a "unique" universe, does not mean its permanently isolated

I am thinking we each have unique universes, but can share them by passing them out or letting others in.

Either that or its a semi-isolated part of a universe/consciousness/larger being that can be temporarily unlocked

NoxiousGas · Dec 20, 2012

Posted this yesterday, but I guess it's gone unnoticed.
Any thoughts Tastyweat?

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=463122&f=47

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