Thread devoted to kudzu!

This has nothing to do with the argument and is just a show of your ignorance, I'm sorry to say. I don't mean to be offensive and I don't want to insult you, but what you are basically doing to me is saying that my points are not valid because I have a larger carbon footprint than yours...which is insulting to me because I am not taken seriously.

I said this before: I am sure you live lighter than I do, as I cannot help a lot of it as I don't live on my own, and I do not have the ability to live on my own...so don't even bring that into the equation.

You are diverting the topic at hand and I am realizing you haven't read hardly anything I have posted.

 

and one day you will see, age has everything to do with the way we see things ..

 

i told you we would have to agree to disagree on the "topic at hand" but you seem to be having difficulties accepting that.

well ,its to be expected..

 

And one day you will see that it doesn't. Your age only represents the amount of corruption, ignorance and reinforcement of some not-so-good ideas you have been exposed to.

I told you that I would let it go, but you are diverting the topic and creating a new issue...you just HAD to post that you know more than me because you are older, which is very very very annoying and it shows that you probably haven;t been taking me so seriously if that is what you believe.

 

lol, you think so??

your statement represents yours.. lol

 

A stalemate entails that we are on equal playing fields and have equal amount of reason, facts, and a good argument - when you add on years as "experience" it is not a stalemate. you are simply giving up but trying to stay on top...



now shush, you

And yes, I can do it to. My point was made obviously - age don't mean shit in this topic and i can do without the metaphorical penis size comparison, please


nothing gets under my skin like somebody who discredits me because my lack of years...in some people how old you are doesn't equal your IQ....

 

no dude, i believe what i say to be true you believe it to be false. i could care less how much evidence you have,you have not lived with and studied the plants impact on a given area like i have for 20 years.

for every con there is a pro.

your books dont say that so you believe that to be false. i say it isnt. call it what you want, hell go ahead and claim victory if your ego needs stroking but we will just have to agree to disagree because i feel your wrong.

 

i never said that kudzu does not have its benefits, in fact i agreed with you on that - as it definitely does.

more proving that you haven't read a shit of what I have been writing, so why bother?

i feel you are right, but you aren't looking at a larger picture. like you said - you are up close and personal. you aren't observing the entirety of its effects...

for every con there is a pro, it is just that on that larger scale, the cons outweigh the pros.

 

Actually, purps right hhb, age has nothing to do with it really...

Actual experience spent among nature as an aware being does however.

 

your acting as if this plant is taking over and its not.. a lot of the 2 million acres that has been "taken over" was originally planted for a reason..

do you even have a kudzu patch around you that you can observe its growth patterns first hand??

 

i agree. that why i said perhaps when he has spent as much time living the life as i have he will better understand where i am coming from. hell i didnt even say agree, i said better understand..

you know as well as i that he cant have possibly spent as much time with nature in 18 years as i have at 44 given the life that you know ive lived.

he is the one who took it as a insult. perhaps its because he doesnt know as much about us and the way we live as others here.

 

No i do not, that does not mean that everything that I have read from PRIMARY SOURCES are invalid.

I am getting my information from people that do live with kudzu all around them.

Are you not getting what I am saying? We know that Kudzu was planted for a reason, but it has grown out of control. Why do you not understand this? Cities spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep it under control, yet it is not under control.

It is KILLING ECOSYSTEMS, it does not live harmoniously as you do with nature. 2 million acres is a lot of land to have been dominated by Kudzu, where natural habitats once existed. Because they were planted for a reason is not sufficient to allow them to stay. As humans, we do a lot of things for a reason - that does not mean the side effects are good for the planet.

 

I took it as an insult because it is often used to discredit what I have been saying. I just assumed that you were doing that and not truly as stupid as you sound...

 

Until you can provide me with some information outside your own expert experiences within nature, much of what you say is invalid in an argument anyways...


and yes I realize you have a small carbon footprint (probably correlates to your small understanding) and no that does not mean shit in this topic

 

i dont feel what im saying is stupid at all. one day you will see that everything you read in a text book isnt fact.

 

Neither do I, but the arrogance you have about you is what is making me think you are stupid. If you were so old and wise, and understanding of nature, I think you would at least see some of these points. Maybe not with Kudzu in particular but in a broader, invasive species sort of understanding. I am open to the idea that on Kudzu in particular I may be wrong - I know for a fact I am not wrong about the danger of invasive species

 

Well part of it is simple math, no matter how bright or amazing one consider themself, there is no way they can believe they were an active observer of nature in terms of the natural cycles. They have the heart for it much younger for sure, but unless you grow up surrounded by nature (city parks do NOT count), the awareness isn't there.

Add to that, reading and thinking about nature, or even visiting it on weekends, is nothing like living in the midst of it. Even me, I consider myself to be more experience in the wild the average person, but the simple fact that until this fall, I had been away from it for well over a decade. I won't even claim to begin to understand the eco-system around me until we've been here for at least a decade watching it from day to day.

Just on the basic idea that where kudzu grows, nothing else does is a good indication of a lack of knowledge about natures cycles. Plants growth patterns change as the seasons do. While one picture can show a lack of bio-diversity in an area, a series of pictures over the space of a year will show how wrong that concept is.

 

http://www.invasivespeciesinfo.gov/

http://google.nal.usda.gov/search?q...ie=&lr=&oe=&output=xml_no_dtd&as_dt=i&x=0&y=0

http://www.invasive.org/
(first image on the page is Kudzu)

http://dnr.wi.gov/invasives/

http://www.fws.gov/invasives/

 

Let me get this straight....


You want him to provide you proof OUTSIDE his experience within nature???

LOL...

I'm done....

 

I really want some kudzu!