Time doesn't exist

Discussion in 'Mind Games' started by ThePoetSappho, Feb 19, 2013.

  1. GreenGreenGrassofHome

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    Why not? It's simply a case of determining a measurement unit small enough, isn't it?
     
  2. Dejavu

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    Is it? The instant, if small enough, is still infinite. Perhaps, in our vision, we'd prefer to simply enjoy our motion? :-D
    What I mean to say is take all measurements! Size the thing up to a certainty! Out with your rulers! Make haste! But above all....make time!
     
  3. GreenGreenGrassofHome

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    Oh I see. You're just being all mystical.

    Silly me, talking about physics and science and stuff.
     
  4. Dejavu

    Dejavu Until the great unbanning

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    Come on, I wasn't even trying. I am no quasi-mode of times towering toll.

    Physics are all I've got to go on.
     
  5. GreenGreenGrassofHome

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    dude, I won't play. :)
     
  6. unfocusedanakin

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M5eG-aywZQ"]George Carlin- Does the time bother you? 1978 - YouTube
     
  7. http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/new-clock-hints-at-the-beginnings-of-time-and-could-redefine-the-kilogram/

    What creates the massive particle, though, I wonder, if not spacetime itself when energy condenses over time into matter.
     
  8. Tyrsonswood

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    I created that in my spare time... :p
     
  9. tastyweat

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    It's my fault... sorry about that :sunny:

    Ok...

    Two atoms are 1 meter apart
    They're 100cms apart
    1000mm
    1000000um
    10^9nm
    etc...

    You could supposedly keep splitting each measurement unit down to the size of an infinitesimally small point sprite and there would be an infinite number of them - irrelevant of distance.

    With respect to the possibilities of infinity - all measurement of distance and time would be irrelevent.

    That, however, is why I strongly dislike our use of the infinity term.

    That's not to say infinity does not exist... rather our use of it is an abuse

    On the other hand, if infinity does exist - then it leaves open some incredible possibilities at those points.

    Infinity is within all of us and surrounds us in our daily lives.
     
  10. GreenGreenGrassofHome

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    I like your thinking. My penis is now, according to that logic, infinite.

    Sorry, but that isn't right. It is merely a case of devising a measurement system.
     
  11. Dejavu

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    If we were systematizers at heart, but we're not. It's a case of enjoying our own measure. I take what tasytweat is saying to mean that within infinity we can't help but be infinite, no matter how finite our conception. Recognition that we are a part and not apart of it. That said, I still don't see what he means by an abuse of infinity. lol
     
  12. GreenGreenGrassofHome

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    People ARE systematisers. We devise systems for everything, from alphabets to biological orders to everything else.



    Where is it necessary to enjoy measurement???

    How can you be within anything that is infinite? How can you be within a boundary of something that is boundless? I really wish you guys would play logically.


    Nor do I.
     
  13. Dejavu

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    GGGOH:
    Sure, and not only out of enjoyment. Already being our own system, we prefer to be creators.

    Nowhere. But it's desirable if we want to go on measuring! :-D

    Simply by being. There is nothing outside of infinity.

    By not being within a boundary. There are no bounds to what is boundless. Boundlessness is not bound to boundlessness, only further unbounded. This is logic. To conceive infinity, one goes on conceiving it. I personally don't know how that is to be done without enjoyment. lol
     
  14. tastyweat

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    Of course it's right... I made the point that all measuring systems are relative and if you so wished, it's technically possible to measure everything as infinite.

    Of course it's useless - but that doesn't mean it's not possible.

    The very reason our use of the term is redundant.
     
  15. tastyweat

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    What I mean by an abuse is that infinity exists in both 1 meter and 1 kilometer, so using it to express anything supposedly useful is fruitless.
     
  16. tastyweat

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    I think part of the point is - one cannot conceive infinity - our physically bounded systems are not designed to compute that.
     
  17. Dejavu

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    Tasty:
    So not abuse, but of no use? I speak for myself of course, but I find the universe useful for expressing things. :-D

    Not altogether, which is why I said conceiving it means continuing to. We're not designed to compute anything. Can we give birth to it in ourselves? I don't understand how physicality is any sort of argument against eternity.
     
  18. tastyweat

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    No argument against eternity - not at all... just expressing our inability to appropriately conceptualize the idea in our current form.
     
  19. Driftwood Gypsy

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    Okay, good point. Time doesn't exist, only the measurement of it, which we invented. The sun goes up and down, the moon rises and falls, the seasons change, all in a patterned time. So in that sense the passage of time is something....
    We're the only species that measures our time and is aware of our own mortality.
     
  20. Wolfman's Brother

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    and same is with past and future,i've been saying this for years but they all laughet at me.
     

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