To all of you damn conspiracy 'theorists'

You sound so...


directed...

 

If you really want to do something productive, I would suggest working to take out the Federal Reserve, because that is much more destructive and malevolent than out supposed Government.


www.endthefed.us

 

Exactly. we out number them 100/1. so like i said the only way to take down the government/fed/Illuminati/NWO, whatever it is you want stopped, is to all group together. people say "be the change you want to see in the world", yes that does make sense but people have been trying to do that forr 40 years. in another 40 were gonna all be dying.

 

It would be as simple as everyone knowing the truth. That is all. If people knew how the system worked, that system would lose all credibility in the eyes of the people in an instant. As long as people do not know exactly who and what they are fighting, it is a lost battle. The politicians and the bureaucrats you see on TV are low-level frontmen and they ultimately control nothing.

 

I totally agree with you on this statement. Alot of people (I think, and no offense to anyone. I used to be a victim of Dumbed Down Disorder(DDD) too) are pretty dumbed down. You can tell that by just looking at some things on TV and in the Music industry as of late.

Like George Carlin said, "It's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to beleive it."

...a lot of people must be asleep then...

 

Fyrenza: No matter how much you may wish to appear otherwise, you have only been a member of this forum for about 4 months. Show some respect -- you don't know these people yet. I've been around here much, much longer than it says beside my name, so I'll save you bringing that up.

Freakymetalchik: This whole thing is so multi-leveled that a statement like 'overthrow the government' cannot hardly cut it.

 

This is where all that you say seems to have no other answers than the ones you give.
There are literally hundreds of thousands of "front men/women" who constantly buzz around the globe talking to each other.
For instance:
http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.com/pa/cm/cmhansrd.htm
Obviously for no good reason it seems.
Nothing they do or say has any consequence and nothing they do ultimately matters...in the long run.
Perhaps only key events and certain things that are said matter?

I reckon even your so-called "elites" do not matter and nothing they say has any real consequence to the "agenda."
All written records are meaningless.
That is what it seems if I read you correctly.

So, all that goes on in our illusionary world is for what purpose?
If we are simply living the consequences of agendas not many people actually know about then we are all lost.
As all that we ultimately effect is our own illusionary world.

You say: If people simply knew what was going on, that alone would be enough to topple their entire illusionary system, because people would not walk into the dialectical traps that have been set for them.
The controllers would lose what little credibility they have remaining.

So, if all people - outside governments - decided to say: No more.
What would occur then?
An even more insideous plot and another illusionary world?
With all of us re-cast as other illusionary characters, perhaps?

 

The people you see on TV are not the ones making the important decisions. The important decisions are made by unelected bureaucrats who answer directly to the bankers and corporate elite, often at secret meetings the public is allowed to know nothing about. Many of the more prominent politicians attend these meetings and are members of groups like the CFR (in the UK it's the RIIA), where they get their marching orders. These marching orders are then put forward by these frontmen we call our politicians, through so-called legislation that is eventually signed into law. You would think (that is considering you actually have common sense) that if the politicians were working for the people, as they would like us to believe, they would actually do things that benefit the people. Instead they always do things that are in favor of the bankers and the corporate elite they truly work for. This holds true for both political parties in the US, as well as the political parties in the UK, Canada, Australia, etc.

Again, the politicians are the frontmen... the ones who do the dirty work for the men behind the scenes and the ones that must incur any wrath or criticism from the public. We are dealing with a multi-leveled pyramidal type structure here. Everything is on a need-to-know-basis only. Even most of the politicians are not aware of the greater agenda, they simply do as they're told to remain in power and are rewarded well for it.

 

Agh, the "important decisions" : Agenda 21 (I think you see that as removing individualism, right?); The bust and boom of economies.
But, there is infinite minutia (written) regarding that.
More illusionary discussion, drafting, consultation and negotiation I imagine.

The heads of these banks and the coporate elite seemingly have "frontmen" as well.
I've witnessed a few speak, I've read what they have to say.

To be honest bankers, families with lineage going back hundreds of years and corporate types can earn billions of dollars in personal wealth for all I care.
As long as they also benefit me and others in some way.
This might define me as a "zombie" but heck, I see what occurs in my illusionary world and I like it - for the most part.
I see people - even your so-called "frontmen" - help people...it truly is a good illusionary world - I recommend a visit.

Too small, imho.
To truly have control over an agenda they would have to have grasp of say, our back bench MPs.
As - so I thought - they have to vote these things through.

Also every mainstream or prominent speaker on issues concerning everything from international development to fishing quotas would have to have no idea and they would know they should not bother talking to these people - but they constantly do.

We don't hear Amnesty International talking about what you speak of.
Why is that?
Why do they and it would seem most if not all public faced entities not speak out?
No offence, but I imagine one or two have more clue than you.

I dunno, Rat.
We have a functioning health care system.
Police that solve murders and such.
We have street lights.
My local MP got my brother a flat when he became homeless.
The list is almost endless.
I have also seen bankers lose personal wealth and kill themselves over the money they have lost.
I can appreaciate that it appears only certain members of society ever benefit.
But, this is patently not true when you look at individuals..in the UKs case, 62 million people (No I am not suggesting every one of them benefits.)

Isn't a multi-leveled pyramidal type structure also called "A scam"?
In any case...so can I take it your words here - in this forum - are only speculation?

 

Why would i wish to appear "otherwise?"

My join date is right there, for all the world to see.

Oh. And that IS my original join date ~

i don't believe i'll ever feel it necessary to go "under cover" in these forums, nor change my member name. (i decided pretty quickly to become a subscriber because i really enjoy my time here, and the friends i've made.)

But, didn't you read the rest of the post? That first part was sort of tongue-in-cheek, and i did say it would sound bitchy (meaning that i didn't really feel that way, so much) ~

it's just that in the time i have been here, you've never posted, except to tell everyone to be respectful, that i've seen,

and what i said was, i think, true.

Sorry if i offended! :cheers2:

 

Odon - what I described above is a basic overview. I have neither the time nor the effort to go into full detail of the entire top-down structure. It would take more time than I am willing to spend, and then you probably still would not get it. I would much prefer people do the research themselves. If you have done the research and read the books and publications of the key players, then this stuff I talk about is all obvious and very much self-explanatory. The world government conspiracy is far from a theory. It's happening. It's only a conspiracy theory to those who have not done the research, opting instead to believe whatever the "official" corporate media sources tell them.

There are many levels of frontmen. Yes, even the banks have their frontmen. At the top you have no more than a few dozen families wielding ultimate power. Some of these families are known, others not so known. The system is a lot like Russian dolls. Within one doll you have another, and another and another, and so on. Everything is compartmentalized. Many people serving the agenda do not know the reality of what they're involved with. They have been conditioned like everyone else. It does not necessarily mean they are bad people.

I could not care less about people being wealthy, as long as they earned that wealth fairly, and not by exploiting the population the way the people I am talking about do on a regular, ongoing basis.

What have the bankers done to benefit you or anyone else? What have psychopathic control freaks ever done to benefit anyone? I am talking about people who have killed millions of innocent people in wars, and contributed to the suffering of millions through poverty caused by artificial scarcity that results from the central banking scam they're in control over. I am talking about the people (and their families) that funded Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, etc.

The funny thing is, I doubt you know the half of what these people do, let alone what they think and believe. You know what you see on TV and read in the newspaper, like most people who only think they get it.

But it's not hard to get these people on board if they're simply well-meaning dupes and don't understand the system. There is a lot of pressure on these people to vote a certain way, and when most of the public does not even understand what's going on, there isn't a lot of opposition on many things that may seem good and wholesome at face value.

Look into something you have in the UK called Common Purpose, which is promoting a collectivist agenda based on something called communitarianism. It might help to also look into a man from your country named Brian Gerrish. He has given a number of very informative speeches you can view online.

Stop Common Purpose

http://www.stopcp.com/

Brian Gerrish presentation in Bournemouth (June 28 2008)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1405535197028538552

Again, many of these people are well-meaning dupes. They do not understand what they're a part of and think they're doing good. Many of them are funded into the spotlight to say things favorable to the ones at the top. Many of them truly believe what they're saying and may even say a lot of very truthful things. The fact is, very few people become popular unless they are promoted through the controlled media. The ones who are not are often ignored or marginalized as kooks.

Amnesty International, like all other global organizations, receive much of their funding from the elite, tax-exempt foundations (Ford, Rockefeller, Carnegie) and are closely connected with the United Nations. They might do some good work, but they will never speak out about the real issues or their causes. If anything, they are promoting a one world (globalist) mindset.

Well, of course they have to do some "good" things (or that appear to be good), but if you look at the big picture it's not hard to see the people are being sold out. Most people in the UK are not happy with their government, nor are many Americans with their's. Europe is being overtaken by the communistic EU, which is just one building block of world government. They are moving in the same direction with the US, Canada and Mexico. Yeah, police solve murders, but rarely do they tackle the REAL criminals in high places, who impact the lives of millions (BILLIONS) of people. You may have seen or heard of bankers killing themselves. But not all bankers are David Rockefeller, either. Many bankers are extremely wealthy and do wield some power, but they are nothing compared to the old banking families who call the shots. These people NEVER lose money.

 

I've read enough of your posts and enough of your personal blog to appreciate where you are coming from.
I "get it."
So, I don't need you to repeat your narrative word for word.
I would, however, say it might be a half decent idea to put as much as you can possibly muster in to a word document.
Then, when you do not have the inclination or time, you can post something you have already written when you feel somebody deserves to read your over-arching world view and how things are connected etc etc etc.
Perhaps you have already done this?
May I add: Our points of view are NOT mutually exclusive.

You speak a lot about "globalism" and "collectivism" which I think lies at the heart of most of your arguements.
You seem to simply not agree with it.
That's fair enough.
I can see that because 99.9% of the world do "buy into" both concepts, you percieve the whole world is - in some way - being co-opted by it and obviously it is all a very terrrible thing.
On that we shall have to agree to disagree.
I very much doubt I will ever truly agree with your idea of a "world government."

My truth is that, pretty much: The world is how the majority see it...including the "official" corporate media sources.
Well, not quite.
I appreciate and agree with the common themes "the media" speak of - the way most of them see the world working.
Their indiviual prejudices I don't agree with though...much like I don't agree with your prejudices, but accept that how you see the world has a fair amount of merit to how the world works (yours just has Hammer house of horror music playing behind it - that's all.)

I won't bite when you say: "this stuff I talk about is all obvious and very much self-explanatory" because the suggestion seems to be you are right.
It might well be self-explanatory, it does not make it true though.

I quite imagine this is true, to a certain degree.
It is pretty obvious actually.
Nothing too controversial or shocking there, as all you are talking about is how the world is - it is not a conspiracy.

I don't ultimately care about anything higher than the frontmen/women and the (possible) front companies they run and the money they have and influence they create.
I have no doubt the major banks are subsidaries of other banks and ultimately owned by a small bunch of people...this really doesn't concern me.
It seems to concern you - why?

Even if you are right and "they" ultimately had the banking crisis (for e.g) on their agenda - so what?
They (a small group of people/families) make lots and lots of cash as usual.

The frontmen/women and their banks have to be in some way accoutable and are subject to our laws.
This is what we have to rectify and it will be.
So concerning ourselves with anything else with only a small amount of information - because of The Chatham House Rules, perhaps - and an awful lot of prejudice, is pointless.

Who we actually have to deal with and what ultimately effects anything in our lives, is what we can see and touch.
That is what effects my life and where my money is poured into (bail-outs for e.g).
Anything (and anybody) "higher" than that simply is/are not in my world and the money that is made and the lives these people lead are quite seperate from my own.
I would say when you say they wield ultimate power - I don't think they actually do.
They only wield ultimate power in the particular "world" they inhabit.

You have not been that specific or deatiled so I am not quite sure who you are talking about and what you are talking about.

My bank has not ultimately done anything for me.
They do provide funds for companies and families; morgages, overdrafts etc.
Some even have a social conscious.
http://www.co-operative.coop/ethicsinaction/
(I thought you might like the bees )

Can you tell me if Abbey, part of the Santander Group have contributed in the deaths of millions of people - thanks.

I doubt I do, mate. I doubt I do.
I also do not doubt you know either.
What seperates us is that you have your own theory based on god only knows what.

Vote? Getting on board?
I'm talking about people that perhaps share your views on many issues but see the world as I do, but ultimately have a strong dissenting voice on the way things are run in "my" world.
Just because they may agree with collectivism and globalism does not make them not appreciate the system.
Obviously the system you think is true is not the same as the system they think is true.
So you think it right to be slightly condescending?
It is rather cavalier of you to dismiss a broad spectrum of people because they don't quite see the world as you do.

He is just a teensy weensy bit, er,reactionary

OK, make that extremely reactionary.

Even though quite a lot of decent and informative research is contained within the presentation the conclusions he draws from that research have shaped a pretty ropey world view.
(Red is my interpretation)


E.G:

You can't say: blackboard - we don't use blackboards anymore, that's why.
Head mounted cameras for the police - accountability. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/11/21/met_police_heargear_cameras/
No mosques in Britain - Islamaphobia.
Strange meanigless art cropping up - That is true, actually. A matter of taste, imho.
Siemens (German) taking over traffic control/tracking cars - Too funny to comment on.
BBC: Children Wanted - http://www.bbc.co.uk/parenting/fostering_and_adoption/index.shtml
Teaching Eugenics in school - http://www.4learning.co.uk/support/programmenotes/micro/farmrevealed/prog1.html


All that was within the first 30 minutes.
If you agree with him about these things, please let me know.

I would say Brian Gerrish is an anti EU kook of the first order.

Really? Amnesty say that 75% of their funding comes from individual contributions.
Have you any evidence they have had funds from: Ford, Rockefeller, Carnegie?
I imagine you have a whole narrative concerning Amnesty...but I don't wish to be to side tracked with that to be honest.
I do appreciate they recieve funding from governments and tax-exempt foundations (some you may see as "elite", that obviously makes them evil, right?)

The point was, there are hundreds of thousands of people who are far superior in intelect and understanding than you or I.
Sorry to drop that one on you, but it is true.
As far as I am aware even Amnesty speak of the kind of "conspiracy" I can buy into.
The "conspiracy" that involves party political agendas governed by quangos and government policy groups...legislation pushed through parliament by "whips" and proffesional career politicians.
All of this is not hidden from view but right in front of our faces.

Now obviously it is not all good or bad...and the decisions they make not always liked (such as Iraq.)
The idea that politicians are mere "frontmen" is a perhaps true, to a certain degree.
I do not suggest people such as Tony Blair are not influenced or guided by other forces.
Many of the things you say reflect that.
But what seperates you and I is your propensity to have, IMHO, a small town, small minded, insular and sometimes, it seems, no grasp of the detail, just concerning yourself with the "bigger picture."
When I do look into your apparent detail, I think your theory falls down.
Yor answer seems to be: They are all puppets, they are all the same, political devides are an illusion, it doesn't matter who you vote for etc etc etc.
To me that suggests: I have no real idea and saying this takes me off the hook.

I should ask in what way do you think we are being "sold out."

If I live till I am 80 I will have taken more than I have given to the state.
For the most part, most people take more than they contibute.
During that time I can also call upon a myriad of services and ask my government to provide certain services and improve the sevices already provided. For e.g http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Healthcare/Ourhealthourcareoursay/index.htm

I also have the opportunity to earn a substantial amount of money (or not) and/or improve my life through "social mobility"...if I so choose.
http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/newsroom/news_releases/2009/090113_nopanel.aspx

Along with the other e.gs I give (barely scratching the surface.)
These opportunities seem pretty damn good to me.

On the flip side, I do appreciate we have a severe problem with poverty in this country...but even the poorest amnongst us can access public services and are treated pretty much the same.

For about 100 days after elections most people are happy and after that most people are more happy with the overall picture than you may think.
If asked, they will say they are not happy, it is true, that is untill you ask them specific questions and then you realise many peoples opinions are prejudiced.
Their perceptions based on media reports.
The actuality is, most people are not affected by the myriad of concerns they seemingly have issues with and think are right at their door.
Neither do they have a bad experience in say the NHS or with the police or their local MP.

I appreciate they never lose money.

On a side note:
How much would you consider the UK is worth on paper?
To be honest, it doesn't matter.
I ask because it is a known figure, well, there is a published account of the "wealth of the nation."
There is also published figures on how much we pay in taxes and VAT etc.
There is also published figures on how much we spend as a nation.
There is also a published accounts of our GDP
Duller people than I keep track of these figures, and they have to tally.
How much outside of these figure our country makes is really no concern of mine...imho.
Perhaps you have a figure for that?
Anyhoo, the point is, whatever the "frontmen/women" spend our money on and how much we give them as a nation is known...
Within that world they make promises and are subject to law and are independently scrutinised.

 

So, is anyone working on a revolution from the outside?

 

Exactly my point!

Drew, I'm not directed by anyone but myself haha. Just for the record.

 

As am I, but it can be counter-productive to not know who you are acting against.


The "government" is a vague entity, designed to absorb public criticism.


Sorta like the Better Business Bureau.

 

By coincidence, i've just had reason to contact the BBB, regarding a list of names and business addresses for the Board of Trustees/Govenors/Directors,

and was told that "They didn't really like their info given out."

And, it would appear, no one in either organization, neither the original NOR the BBB, has access to that list, anyway...

Come to find out, the original business had been sold to a private corporation several years earlier.

Amazing.