to occupy naysayers ''tell me why?''

Actually, no... Many (or most) people are not aware... They are just going along for the ride thinking all's well (or as good as it gets, even though it's bad) just as long as they have their new iPhone and a new movie every week... and gods forbid if Starbucks isn't open tomorrow morning. They don't know that they no longer have a voice in government, that the banks are ripping them off behind their backs, that the 1% are in the process of turning them all into slaves.

That's why "camping" becomes important, it lends a "permanence" to the protest... A reminder that things are still wrong, every day, and those people are willing to put up with inconvenience to try to wake up the "sheeple" to that fact. (If the media would not put a bad spin on it the message would go a lot further.)


(Hope that made sense, I just woke up...)

 

just like i say to my own friends

acting like you give a fuck is a healthy trend

sitting on you ass and thinking giving a shit requires leadership and direction is the kind of conformist herd mentality that got us all used like a pimps ho's

personally I don't 'occupy'

i got a job to get to

 

Sorry misread the post, not a Occupy naysayer, nevermind

 

Much of the change over the last couple of decades has been from Globalisation

Many parts of the world doing bettter, Asia, Russia, India. Lots of growth, lots of construction, lots of comsumption, lots of jobs.

And in the West we are starting to see the impact of an ageing population.

Theres nothing much that has changed with how corporations run in the same time span.

On one hand bitch about jobs in your country, but then go to Walmart and buy the stuff made in China cos its cheaper? And pay for it with your credit card then blame the greedy banks for lending that money to you?

The GFC started mainly from subprime lending and overvalued houses in the US, ie world banks being too loose with their money. 2/3 of the US debt is private, nothing to do with the goverment. China and Korea snapped up a lot of that debt so they now own 1/4 of it

Government has stuff all to do with monetary policy, greedy corporatons just pander to what consumers spend money on.

Its not about them, its the average idiot on the ground. Bitch about jobs then go off buy made in china with a credit card then most of the fees charges and interest payed on that are going overseas. Take out a mortgage with a lender that they dont realise is foreign owned or dont care cos they just want the cheapest deal.

The world has gotten a big shake up, just that China and India got the better end of the deal

 

Tried to rep you Vanilla for this one.

- and this will continue - China and India are developing a middle class and there's only so much to go around. The ridiculous salaries of some of these executives are disgustingly disproportionate to the work and value they actually contribute to the world. I don't have a problem with some genius inventor/performer/artist or even a gifted athlete from getting filthy rich. But I don't see the value in the ruthless psychopathic greed of executives that is disproportionately rewarded in the corporate/banking/financial/energy/pharma/insurance industries.

The genius actually creates something. The psychopath with an MBA only monetizes it and disproportionately rewards him/herself for it.

What's more valuable to any civilization - A good elementary teacher who successfully teaches perhaps three generations of students HOW to learn, HOW to problem solve, HOW to study, ultimately teaches the academic foundation necessary for perhaps hundreds of MBA's down the road (or better yet cancer researchers, or engineers or other people who actually create real tangible value) and gets paid maybe $50,000 at the apex of his/her career? Or a CEO at a major credit card company who makes $250,000,000 - who essentially serves as the BIG BOSS for a loan sharking syndicate? I'm sure the CEO works every waking hour of the day, but do you have any idea how much time a tenured elementary school teacher is expected to volunteer each week?

Now the CEO's value and performance is easily measured by his shareholder's portfolios - ill gotten gains or not - he/she is rewarded for producing nothing beyond wealth for his/her company, gainful employment for a grossly disproportionate few with regard to the amount of money taken in when compared to other industries and of course handsome capital gains especially for the wealthiest shareholders.

But imagine if we valued the CEO's contribution to civilization a little less and rewarded the gifted elementary teacher a little more - maybe that profession would attract even more gifted elementary teachers who would create an even better prepared generation of students. So how do you measure the value of that?

The value system needs to change socially. I'm all for protests because they draw attention to the idea*, they create awareness and that is invaluable. I don't think the Occupy Movement has any intention of creating instant change via protests, if the government, if the elites, felt genuinely threatened by the protests themselves, believe me, they'd figure out a way to make sure they didn't occur in the first place. It's the message and the idea* of the Occupy Movement that they're concerning themselves with, and they're doing a wickedly good job of suppressing, marginalizing, minimizing and spinning that message with mass media coverage.

The elites invented propaganda and they also know full well how to blunt it and make it go away, when that propaganda is aimed toward their undoing. Many, if not most people in the west are still operating under this foolish believe that we have a free and neutral press. If you turn on your TV, read a newspaper or listen to the radio, you are not experiencing a Free Press. All of those mass media mediums are sponsored by advertisers and what gets reported and how it gets reported is dictated by these sponsors, these advertisers.

So, if a film crew goes down to a protest and they do two interviews, one with a protestor who is articulate and who makes a well presented case, against say, Monsanto and then another, with some crazy, lizard people believing David Icke disciple, who's clearly been on a three day meth marathon - which interview do you think is going to get air time?
Who determines? The editor? Who does the editor answer to? The Publisher? Who does the publisher answer to? The advertiser.


The elites don't want to suppress the protests - allowing the protests give the illusion of freedom and that's enough to satiate a helluva lot of people. But it's the idea* contained within the movement which they will do their utmost to suppress.

So the internet poses a huge problem. The idea* is being disseminated in a big way through social media and forums like this - whose content (hopefully) remains user provided and outside the direct elite corporate influence - that's a big problem. Their answer? In the U.S. it's CISPA and the new laws enacted via the NDAA. These laws and the ramifications of their language are not well (if at all) understood by the President or your legislators. They're not the ones writing them - at best, they get a copy of NDAA 2012 for dummies, provided from whatever lobbyist or wacko think tank that actually drafted the bill - and here enters the hand and influence of the elites - the true power and mastermind behind the seemingly irrational, undemocratic and unjust activities of this government of, by, and for the people.

*The idea behind the Occupy Movement is democracy and social justice. In other words, a government that actually protects the rights of the people it is supposed to be governing (that's the purpose of government after all isn't it?) The original purpose of legislation, the rules we live by, are not to preserve the profits of private enterprises or individuals at the expense of endangering the rights, health and well being of the vast majority of the rest of us - but that's exactly what is happening, and more people are waking up to that fact every day.

The government isn't going to change or react in response to these protests. The corruption is too wide spread, too instilled in the very culture of politics and electioneering in this country - it's been institutionalized and adopted by the two party system in U.S. certainly.

But Guess what happens when the idea* matures in the minds of enough consumers (consumption is really the only effective way for the masses to vote under a corrupt plutocracy), and those consumers decide that they are tired of financing their own exploitation and decide that they can no longer buy bullshit at Wal-Mart, that they'd rather pay more for locally grown produce from a smaller regionally owned and operated grocery chain or better yet, an organic farmer's market? What if they learned it was possible to live quite well without ever stepping foot inside a god damned Wal-Mart? What if they learned that it was possible to not eat toxic fast food three times a week? What if they learned that it was possible to earn a legitimate living at job that doesn't slowly and inevitably kill you.

What if it became quite fashionable and normal to not finance your own (or someone else's) misery, debt slavery, disease, mental illness and shortened lifespan? That's the idea that scares the shit out of the elites, because they know it's possible, but that it requires that they cease to exist.

 

it's about how the rich and powerful have convinced so many that they can be rich and powerful if they just work hard, and that being poor and struggling is your own fault for not working hard enough, not because the deck is stacked against you.

 

We need to form a rich and powerful organization to take on rich and powerful organizations... oops!

 

I think people who are against the occupy movement must be the most boring people on earth. They have no sense of rebellion, no sense of personal freedom. They probably love the status quo, they probably excel in middle management.

I don't care what someone is protesting, I just love the fact that people are still protesting.

I hate when people make comments like "we don't need to turn the occupy protesters into heroes. They're deadbeats. Its the soldiers that are heroes."I've actually heard people say that almost verbatim.

Hello, America. Wake the fuck up Soldiers protect from enemies abroad, protesters protect from enemies within.

If we fostered and encouraged that sense of rebellion in this country, or anywhere, then the "man" wouldn't be able to get away with nearly as much.

 

Probably because they get a sense of the Occupy movement protester negative stereotype through a quick glance and not through a thorough research as to what the movement is really about. And therefore they want nothing to do with such a movement.

 

People who regard the Occupy Movement as some sort of "threat" to the well-being of their country most likely obtained that view-point because the information they received regarding the Occupy Movement was disseminated to them via a third party, such as a cable-news channel.

And, depending on the third party their obtained their information from, they may have received (probably received) biased information which only highlights the few, sporadic "questionable" behaviors made. I know for a fact that is the reason that a lot of the people I have talked to who dislike the Occupy Movement got all of their information from places like Fox News. They didn't walk up to the protesters and ask them anything.

 

Faux News hates Occupy.....



Well... they hate a lot of things....

 

But it seems to love tea parties….

 

Yup....



Something strange in that tea...

 

I am not an Occupy Wall Street "naysayer"

But one could certainly wish for more from The Movement.

The front pages and our news have seemed to move on to other issues as we get deeper into the American election cycle.

The lack of media coverage has been bad for the OWS Orginization; resulting in a drying up of donations.

It seems media and politicians had a "summer romance" with OWS and have moved on now along with the election cycle.

Perhaps some blame should fall upon OWS itself. It proved unable to build out from its initial foundation of Income inequality. It proved unable to present coherent ideas on a basket of related politico/social issues.

The Orginization has a priority of not being co-opted by media or mainstream politicians. Yet it seemed intent on being in-sync with Democrat positions on the issues. Perhaps if OWS could find a way to jump ugly with Democrat orthodoxy it would create a media buzzz. But might damage the election prospects of Democrats.

Thus OWS seems boring because its just another front for a mainline political party.

When politicians like Ron Paul or Ross Perot jump ugly with thier own orginization it creates interest, and the appearance of integrity.

The rich capitalist is an old whipping boy and goes back to the days of Charles Dickens and Scrooge. A one dimensional straw-man.

See my gallery for some OWS pictures.

 

O.W.S. coverage on faux news seemed to focus on the vagrants who were attracted to Zuccotti Park. One has to admit that The Occupation was a freak magnet. I think the organisers did a good job of managing the freaks and partiers who are attracted to the site.

Zuccotti Park seemed clean and well organized and did not smell. So Fox was wrong.

 

First, occupy is about wanting something without earning it. Second, occupy is owned and funded by some nasty orgs like moveon, off shoot remnants of now dufunct ACORN and nasty greedy labor unions. Third, occupy decided to surround themselves with local drug addicts, home bums and wino's to inflate their numbers. They also welcomed violent anarchists and disrespectful anti christians who damaged, stole from and were disrespectful to the the churches, the ONLY people that would house them after they trashed colleges and parks and had to be evicted. Occupy is a nasty organization. I saw enough in the beginning to make me walk away. No love here for occupy.

 

i think it's more about wanting a fair chance to earn something, not wanting something without earning it.

and god forbid that they provide food and some basic medical care to homeless people and addicts.

 

my experience is that they are a bunch of low hygiene obnoxious nike wearing government whining lil fucks...the government only applies to you if you subscribe to follow the rules...educate yourselves...be smarter than the banks...the banks are a business...if you don't like it put your money else where...if you don't like money start a sustainable farm without it...if you hate greed well fuck...get people to do psychedelics...there will be an uprising but not occu-pie...give it time and get your supersoakers and an lsd supplier...don't forget to use distilled water.

 

i went to our local occupy meeting...there was no homeless people...there was mothers and fathers,farmers,retirees,hippies and non hippies....i think i was the only one wearing nike shoes lol....one of the problems we are having in canada is that the government wants to waste our my money on jet fighter planes and insane tactical bullshit instead of daycares and swimming pools or social programs of any kind....we are protesting to get back what we have lost,,,not for something that we never had