Townhall debate BUSH RULES

when has kerry ever given plans? Cheney was dead on when he said kerry's plans for iraq were an echo

Kerry connects with the middle class as much as bush can hold a conversation about rocket science.

kerry's history as a senator is bad, especially his vote against gulf war 1.

My biggest problem is kerry's lack of conviction, it is most evident on his views on abortion. When he walks outside the senate house, he believes a fetus is a life, when he walks inside, he believes its a bunch of worthless cells..yeah, thats really having convictions there.

 

I believe that he was making the right decision when he said he does not have the right to tell other people what to do just because what he believes.

We need more of that, not less of that, in this world...

 

He is a politician and needs to represent a group of people, not just himself.

 

1%? Get real, they did a whole special report in the paper 2 months ago about doctors from different fields in the area who were closing down practice because they just couldn't afford malpractice insurance anymore, my aunt works for a hospital and has many doctors as friends and they same the same thing, these lawsuits are making it ridiculous for doctors, and for everyone really, our country is sue happy, when that woman won the law suit for spilling the hot coffee on her some years ago, that was the 1st sign it was going to go downhill.

 

I think we have concluded that we all are in disagreement here..here is what Kerry said, in regards to what you said about his tax contradiction, which by reading it, I don't believe he was contradicting himself at all..

KERRY: Let me begin by saying that my health-care plan is not what the president described. It is not a government takeover.

You have choice. Choose your doctor, choose your plan. The government has nothing to do with it.

In fact, it doesn't ask you to do anything—if you don't want to take it, you don't have to. If you like your high premiums, you keep them. That's the way we leave it.

Now with respect to the deficit, the president was handed a $5.6 trillion surplus, ladies and gentlemen. That's where he was when he came into office.

We now have a $2.6 trillion deficit. This is the biggest turnaround in the history of the country. He's the first president in 72 years to lose jobs.

He talked about war. This is the first time the United States of America has ever had a tax cut when we're at war.

Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, others, knew how to lead. They knew how to ask the American people for the right things.

One percent of America, the highest one percent of income earners in America, got $89 billion of tax cut last year. One percent of America got more than the 80 percent of America that earned from $100,000 down.

The president thinks it's more important to fight for that top 1 percent than to fight for fiscal responsibility and to fight for you.

I want to put money in your pocket. I am—I have a proposal for a tax cut for all people earning less than the $200,000. The only people affected by my plan are the top income earners of America.

I believe Kerry gave the better answer to Stem cells, also I saw Bush dodging alot of questions being asked, and he would talk about how Kerry changed his mind but, Kerry answered back on his 'wishy washyness' and he did a good job. Where is your proof on Kerry misleading about the forcing out of General Shinseki? I'm not saying you are wrong, but I would like proof to this. With that being said..they both were taking shots at each other, but with a right to do so..They were trying to prove who would be a better leader over our country..and if Kerry mislead people about the forcing out of General Shinseki, at least he didn't mislead the people and outright lie to get us to war among OTHER things, since Bush has been in office.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6209704/

 

SARAH DEGENHART: Senator Kerry, suppose you are speaking with a voter who believed abortion is murder and the voter asked for reassurance that his or her tax dollars would not go to support abortion, what would you say to that person?

KERRY: I would say to that person exactly what I will say to you right now.

First of all, I cannot tell you how deeply I respect the belief about life and when it begins. I'm a Catholic, raised a Catholic. I was an altar boy. Religion has been a huge part of my life. It helped lead me through a war, leads me today.

But I can't take what is an article of faith for me and legislate it for someone who doesn't share that article of faith, whether they be agnostic, atheist, Jew, Protestant, whatever. I can't do that.

But I can counsel people. I can talk reasonably about life and about responsibility. I can talk to people, as my wife Teresa does, about making other choices, and about abstinence, and about all these other things that we ought to do as a responsible society.

But as a president, I have to represent all the people in the nation.

And I have to make that judgment.

Now, I believe that you can take that position and not be pro- abortion, but you have to afford people their constitutional rights. And that means being smart about allowing people to be fully educated, to know what their options are in life, and making certain that you don't deny a poor person the right to be able to have whatever the constitution affords them if they can't afford it otherwise.

That's why I think it's important. That's why I think it's important for the United States, for instance, not to have this rigid ideological restriction on helping families around the world to be able to make a smart decision about family planning.

You'll help prevent AIDS.

You'll help prevent unwanted children, unwanted pregnancies.

You'll actually do a better job, I think, of passing on the moral responsibility that is expressed in your question. And I truly respect it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6209704/

 

I guess carry thinks its acceptable since he would be the SECOND president to give a tax cut during a war..thats still a contradiction of criticizing bush when he plans to do MORE OF THE SAME.

 

Exactly, he is unable to stand by his convictions.

How can you have it both ways with this one. Either you believe life starts with conception as catholics do and kerry professes to believe, or you dont. Kerry is trying to have it both ways. He has no convictions, and he is facilitating murder, if he believes life starts at conception, and he wont stand up to this murder. Sounds like a person who isnt strong morally.

He needs to either dump his catholic beliefs(well actually start standing up for them) or fight against abortion because it should be murder in his eyes.

 

thats the biggest load of BS ever.

He believes abortion is murder if he takes the catholic standpoint, and he is going to allow murder? Either he needs to dump his catholic views or fight against abortion. He needs to stop pandering. But thats all kerry does, sits on the fence.

 

See, you took words out of what was actually said, he was talking about different things the president has done, and how he gave a tax break during the war and how that wasn't the right thing, and then said, who he gave the tax breaks to, and then who he as president would give those to, he wasn't referring to giving them during war..
Now with respect to the deficit, the president was handed a $5.6 trillion surplus, ladies and gentlemen. That's where he was when he came into office.

We now have a $2.6 trillion deficit. This is the biggest turnaround in the history of the country. He's the first president in 72 years to lose jobs.

He talked about war. This is the first time the United States of America has ever had a tax cut when we're at war.

Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, others, knew how to lead. They knew how to ask the American people for the right things.

One percent of America, the highest one percent of income earners in America, got $89 billion of tax cut last year. One percent of America got more than the 80 percent of America that earned from $100,000 down.

The president thinks it's more important to fight for that top 1 percent than to fight for fiscal responsibility and to fight for you.

I want to put money in your pocket. I am—I have a proposal for a tax cut for all people earning less than the $200,000. The only people affected by my plan are the top income earners of America.

 

the language is simple enough. This is the first time we had a tax cut during war. Kerry's plan? To be the second. There was no reason to mention the fact bush was the first one ot do it unless you want people to believe it was the wrong decision.

 

I think it is more like keeping the tax cuts for those making $200,000 or less, and rolling back the others.

 

Kerry didn't say he would do what bush did, he was stating very clearly that it was the wrong thing to do..why would he talk about doing it, and how wrong it was to do it, then say he would do the same thing, sorry that's not what I read or heard during the debate

 

i'm not sure what you heard.

Kerry infers it was wrong to offer a tax cut during wartime, then turns around and says he'll offer one to the middle class. It seems what bush does is wrong simply becuase his name is bush.

 

yes he did say that..but then he started talking about who Bush gives tax breaks to..then he said who he would give tax breaks to..not saying he would give them to anyone while we were in war, he had moved on to talk about the tax cuts, not the tax cuts during the war.

 

Why should he chose to go on his beliefs, when this isn't about him, but it's about everyone in America? I am sorry we all have different beliefs on this, and I don't agree with abortion either, but I don't think it's the right for some man in charge of America to make that choice for women!

 

so its alright to give tax cuts during war since bush set the precadent? He sure wanted people to believe bush did a bad thing by offering a tax cut during war.

 

NO, and that's not what he said! He said it was wrong, and he never said he would do it

 

"I want to put money in your pocket. I am—I have a proposal for a tax cut for all people earning less than the $200,000. "


err..i suppose he's going to offer that once we're out of iraq?

 

Megara, you are still an ass.

Kerry is not "sitting on the fence". He made his views clear. Bush is not "sitting on the fence" either. Bush is ignorant, and dead wrong.