Trayvon

To those who are "tired of hearing about this mess".

Please find another thread to play in. Okay? It's our sandbox, not yours.

Or haven't you noticed all the other threads available to peruse?

Use your mouse, Luke.

 

I'll remember to show you the same disrespect, if that's what you wish.

Otherwise, you're just a dumbshit who can't think of something useful to say.

Or maybe your brains are as ill-kept as your hair.

 

And what, might I ask, is "the topic". These issues are central to the subject at hand, which is the dynamics of the Trayvon massacre, and in the spirit of the OP.

 

The original post was about Trayvon Martin and the media reaction to it, to which race may have been an issue.

Your post (and a lot of other posts, these trains of thought happen in every thread) was about race and class abstract the Martin case, mostly focusing on a wide range of issues, like poverty, insurance, quotas and many other topics. You threw a whole lot up against the wall there to see whatever stuck, and it detracts from the topic.

 

Actually, my posts are more in line with the topic than yours. You choose to criticize me for having echoed many of the OP's sentiments, in detail. Yours only seem capable of exemplifying someone who wishes control over others on-topic posts.

So nanny nanny poo poo (respectfully speaking, of course).

(and by the way,,"these thoughts" most assuredly do not "happen" in "every thread")

This is,,erm,,"random" thoughts, is it not?

 

I've said enough. I care not to "dominate the thread", so I'll stop here, unless someone wishes to continue to respond without thinking.

Otherwise, PM me.

 

dont stop, i agreed with a lot of what you were saying

 

I'll let my man Michael speak for me, God rest his tortured soul:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yURRmWtbTbo&ob=av2e"]Michael Jackson - Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough - YouTube

 

I believe that the initial outrage was systemically caused by the intense spin the news channels put on it it from the outset. It will remain so as many won't delve much deeper into the facts of matters. Many still believe Obama is still a Muslim and not born in the US. No one wants to compromise on issues these days. Most pick a side and don't deviate from said stance.

I read all these opinions and find nuggets of insight and truth on all levels of the debate on this unfortunate tragedy. I do generally come up with my own thoughts from the onset and usually keep them in check until I learn more about the situation. The loss of anyone's life is truly a damn fucking shame. In the grand scheme of things though I really don't care. The families of both sides I'm sure will settle this as best they could, but that will be a near impossible thing to do now with so much media exposure and spin.

The ability to own and operate a gun in the US these days is so unchecked and loose that accidents like these will and always have been common. White on black black on white, white on white, etc crimes are common all throughout the us and the world. I know these kind of things happen all the time. Society truly breeds stereotypes and suspicion more than ever it seems these days.

If you really delve into the underlying problems and such that would cause a case like this than good luck to you on such a frustrating fruitless task.

As to my own thoughts regarding this... It seems to be a product of too many people crammed into one area and the chances of something like this happening gets elevated in a country that's been fed on increased suspicion more recently mixed with the centuries old view of those who are different from you.

 

Now just wait for it, because right here you're saying you can't know how it feels to be black.

Then describe how is not only to be black but black peoples motives for any crime they had or will have perpetrate on whites. But even more insulting is that you discredit Hotwaters observations because he is not white, but do the exact same analysis as he when you make your claims.

Oh and the best part, you call me Jordie after the black character on Star Trek...but by my "observations" I could tell you really wanted to call me Kunta Kinte. Please just say what you mean, bigots are usually really good at that.

Quit being a hypocrite, Jim Crow.

 

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_crime_laws_in_the_United_States

 

Your powers of observation are lacking.

Kunta Kinte would never have come to mind. I watch a lot of Star Trek, and I actually like LeVar Burton,, a lot. By the way, I spelled his name wrong. It's "Geordi" La Forge.

and you obviously don't "know what I mean".

Your own bigotry is showing, or perhaps just your ability to rush to judgment, as has already been exemplified by many others.

If you think my analysis and Hotwater's are the same in tone, content, or feeling, then I feel sorry for you. You really do know how to "broad-brush" a situation. I'm not going to waste any more time explaining the difference to you, since you choose to paint me with a very limited pallete. "Jim Crow",,lol.

You're a victim of your own limited set of cliche's. Try to be more imaginative. Seek specificity. It will improve your writing skills, as well as your credibility.


People are so wound up over this. Being wound up tends to make people jump at every opportunity to repeat the same old, tired cliches.

A guy with a wooden eye goes into a bar. He sits down to have a drink. The guy sitting next to him has a hare-lip. He decides to offer him a drink also. Before this, he suggests that they say nothing to each other about their respective physical peculiarities. They agree on this.

He says,,"Would you like me to buy you a drink?"

"Hare-lip" responds, excitedly, "WOULD I?!"

"Wooden eye" then responds, in anger, "HARE-LIP, HARE-LIP!!!"


This story speaks to the tendency people have, to react quickly, without forethought, and say things they may later regret.


:2thumbsup:

 

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...l-screams-not-george-zimmermans-2-experts-say

This means, by the 911 tape analysis, it was almost certainly Trayvon Martin pleading for help and mercy before he was shot in cold blood by Zimmerman.

Here's some more.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...ts-tracy-martin-sybrina-fulton_n_1395381.html

Do you have any response Rat or Arthur? Why were you two so quick to turn this into a race war? Because the media is so liberal and turn things against us white folk?

 

You're missing brain cells, just like some others here.

Not having heard the clip,,nor being a forensic "expert",,

I've stated clearly that I'm not privy to what has been covered in "the media", and have no idea what went on, except to say that it's not FAIR to convict a person without the benefit of DUE PROCESS, regardless of THE COLOR OF HIS SKIN. You've done just that. You've convicted Zimmerman already.

If you think that calling for calm, and a rational mind is to turn something into a "race war" then you've got an agenda, and it seems to be the same agenda that other incendiary types have.

Keep your "righteous indignation" in your hat, or it becomes hate, as misleading as any other form of hate.

Do you judge those whom you have already convicted as unworthy of a proper trial, before having been found guilty? Your emotionality in this issue is not helpful, unless you wish to take on the role of "hangman".

I'm not "Rat", and I don't always share his viewpoints, but in this, I believe he has some validity, in calling for some clarity rather than merely an impassioned rush to judgment. Passion is good, but can be misleading. Perhaps misplaced passion, negative energy is what caused the situation in the first place, on one side, or the other.

But people do love their passion. More so than their fellow man, at times.

It's easy to hate, difficult to love, especially in the face of tragedy.

 

Petty insult.

Deference to authority, also I posted the clip.

I suppose you mean 'except what has been covered in the media.

I agree, I only think think that the initial lack of an investigation INCLUDING COLLECTING NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE, such as his gun on what appears to be a murder, might have been part of a systematic racism in the system. Either way it doesn't matter, George Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty. But the police department didn't properly investigate a likely murder. My white comment there was just to be provocational, and probably unnecessary.

Of course I don't want to play a part in the investigation or trial. I think it's largely media hype, and the reason it's gotten to be media hype is because a probable murder wasn't investigated.

I don't necessarily agree with any of this.

 

Thank You!

No, don't "suppose". That's what gets us into trouble. I mean exactly what I said. I do not read the news, neither the local paper, nor TV, nor radio. I'd rather not get the "media" version of "the facts". I'll OCCASIONALLY go to a news site, preferably one that's relatively "unbiased", neither con nor lib (try to find one). I'd actually rather not be involved in mass opinion, and it's resultant mob, engineered mentality.

I'm truly glad that we agree on something. Before you said that, I would have thought you a brainless idiot. I am now aware that you are not brainless,,lol.

I agree that an investigation is in order. I've never suggested a complete cover-up. I truly have no "preference". In fact, by all APPEARANCES, Trayvon looks like a very nice young man, while Zimmerman looks ugly and mean. That's not good enough, however.

I've said before, that according to my natural preference, blacks would get a pass, while hispanics wouldn't, because I grew up amongst hispanic gang-bangers, while the blacks I knew were nice, friendly, good students. Plus, I'm a musician. I can't stand the sound of that kind of "polka music" that Mexicans play, while I love the blues, jazz, r&b, soul, etc.

But I'm not going to let my preference for one over another rule. I simply believe strongly in not pre-judging by the appearance of things.

When OJ Simpson was subjected to legal "scrutiny", even though it APPARENTLY didn't seem to work, I was just fine with the outcome, simply because the process is supposed to work, and I don't believe in simple vengeance to "solve" the problem of grief.

I suspect, however, that many who were rejoicing, applauding the decision not to convict, were only doing it because of the fact that historically, blacks have gotten a raw deal, and many felt that it was "their time", and OJ was merely a convenience for them to witness whether or not a black man could get justice or not.

Now, it appears that, eventually, he did, if only in part.

What goes around comes around, and when people are guilty of something, eventually they will pay, whether it be one way, or the other.

But vigilante justice just isn't my bag.

I don't expect you to agree with me. I only expect worship and adoration. Proceed.

 

Disagree rather. In other words I agreed with that last paragraph. I was posting under the influence last night. Even completely crocked I make more sense though. :biggrin:

 

Right, you think Zimmerman acted in self defense, and you're calling Obama an idiot? That's rich. You sound racist actually, you insulted Obama, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, the black community at large are apparently all idiots as well, and the only innocent person here is Zimmerman....

I think that says it all.

 

The NAACP was founded by some white people.

And you know what, I live in a place that still has restaurants with de facto separate entrances.

SO, PressedRat FUCK YOUR WHINY WHITE BREAD BULLSHIT!

JUSTICE FOR TRAYVON!