Trip Report: New Years Eve (long, but interesting)

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dude, i'm just telling you how it went down man. i mean the world that i and you experience in day to day life is based on some sort of belief, tripping or not. wouldn't you say? strange shit happens when you trip, and when it gets fantasy-like, i'd say it's because it's mixing your imagination with your reality. Belief is just a word anyway. so, to get on the same page as you, i gotta know exactly what you mean by belief.

 

I fear you are over-complicating things, because your last post seems to be a direct contradiction to this

 

what do you mean? i'm just asking what you mean by the word "belief"

 

*sigh*

• any cognitive content held as true
• impression: a vague idea in which some confidence is placed; "his impression of her was favorable"; "what are your feelings about the crisis?"; "it strengthened my belief in his sincerity"; "I had a feeling that she was lying"
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief_(sociology)Belief is the psychological state in which an individual holds a proposition or premise to be true.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief

Mental acceptance of a claim as truth; Something believed; The quality or state of believing; Religious faith; One's religious or moral ...
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Belief

 

ok. so then what do you mean by over-complicating things? and also, i'm just curious, how was the trip based on belief? i mean it was just experience.

 

All I'm saying is that, yes, the trip itself is experience, but the subsequent extrapolations that you have drawn from experiencing the trip are nothing but belief.
You think because you experience something you automatically know what it is, or what any of it means?
To me, all these trip reports are just the modern day equivalent of how the cave man thought he knew God when he saw a lightening bolt hit a tree.

 

i would agree man. but i mean, you gotta start somewhere. you're right, i could be completely wrong about all of it. but i mean, fine then. i'll learn that lesson as it comes. i could also be right. i'm just following my intuition and trying to learn shit.

but yea, i get what you mean, it could be completely true that i could be wrong about all of that.

 

that's kinda what i mean by proto-type vibes. like if the caveman didn't think how he did, even if he was wrong, we wouldn't be where we are today.

i'd say tripping is one form of the modern exploration. at one time it was lewis and clark, and columbus, exploring new territory on the physical plane. discovering new land. at another time it was newton and einstein and science. perhaps these days it's consciousness and tripping? maybe? at least one form anyway. of course you're gonna make mistakes with your experiments along the way though. but that's how you learn and move forward. and of course it's dangerous too. just like it was for columbus.

 

And I'd say this grave purpose and terrible importance that people assign to tripping is exactly what ruins the essence of tripping itself.

 

i would disagree, but maybe i've just read and listened to too much Terence Mckenna

 

Hahaha that is a fantastic story, my friend. The feelings you described sound absolutely beautiful, and the night itself...crazy times!

 

*and for the record, I'm glad you had such an insane experience and learned so much shit from it! Sounds to me like you and lucy have a good time together

 

No, this is what I'm talking about.

 

Neo you do seem to be cynical about ChinaCat's perspective. Maybe I just don't know what cynicism is. Either way you really don't think psychedelic states are some sort of exploration? I thought you agreed with me about never coming down from certain aspects of your trips. If you really do what's so different about drawing lessons from the experience? A change in perspective...

Many of us believe that there are realms, even if only in our personal consciousness, that are more in touch with the creative side of things. That just operate on a different level. I'd meet cynicism from you if I were to explain that lately I believe what guides my behavior is beyond my control, in a way that seems as if a natural force or cosmic force controls me because I've opened my right mind more to the idea of connection with everything.

Fantasizing about destinations in your dreams can sometimes only distract you from necessary actions needed to get the most of what you do aspire for. It's what I believe since a few of my trips that the only destination is the journey, and open to the idea eternity after life might be the destination if you are your true self. It's important to remember that the universe doesn't necessarily takes side, because it likes to lead you into the dark just as much as it likes to lead you into the light. Maybe humility is extremely important.

Tripping might be the extension of the right mind into other realms, that may exist on a universal scale.

I dont know...

 

Speaking from experience I can tell you his path did not bear fruit for me. He is brilliant and charismatic, and many of his ideas are ingenious, but his personal interpretation of the psychedelic state has been taken as holy writ by so many of today's psychonauts. They are robbing themselves of the true inquiry by assuming that this smart man with his fancy education and fancy youtube videos has got the best shot at figuring out just what the hell is going on during these states of consciousness. I remember going from "yep he's got it pretty much figured out!" to "what is this guy smoking?" when i tried DMT myself. I realized that all these people listening to Mckenna's theories, then getting high to test them, were just creating their own self-fulfilling prophecy. They were begging the question.

my point is to not listen to anyone about these things. not me, neodude or mckenna. ultimately you must find what it is you are doing here, because no one can tell you that. This is the inquiry. This is the vortex spiraling into itself.

 

i agree.

people like pinchbeck and mckenna and all the other new age psychedelic hippies really bother me. I don't think psychedelics are are this great path to some enigmatic and profound truth. Not that they don't provide really important insights into our own personalities but too often we don't have the ability or framework to properly interpret such experiences.

A lot of trippers have this elitism about them because they learn something and now they think they've got an advantage over the "square" folks. They also tend to believe in imaginative new age drivel that other trippers feed them like the 2012 shit. Delusions can be shattered as quickly as new ones can be formed while tripping.

 

i heard that there is no LSD that compares to what was made in the 60's, everything now is a fake... true? or anybody else know of this?

 

You nailed it.

blackbox, LSD is generally weaker than in the 60s when referring to blotter form, but real LSD still exists, and it's still pretty popular. Tons of people on this board have regular access to good, clean LSD.

 

Oh, it's certainly exploration. The thing is, it's exploration into yourself.
Now, what that means is up to personal speculation, but I do not see the necessity of automatically attributing concepts like God, the supernatural, "other realms" and infinity simply because someone trips acid and discovers an aspect of themselves that they have been repressing and suddenly feels more whole. This is a prevalent theme throughout human history. Each time our species encounters something that is not fully understood, it becomes this mystical thing that is beyond all, and then it's usually used for the depreciation and repression of others, only to be eventually shattered by the progression of reason.

Exactly.
It's very disturbing, it's like watching the birth of a new version of fundamentalist dogmatism. I mean, what really is the difference between believing you have an advantage and are more enlightened than the "square" folks because you have tripped and been on drugs, and believing you have the same advantage because you have accepted Jesus into your heart and have been "saved"?
It's the same exact shit, just different communities of people.