Tripoli Libya Bloodbath - Where is Gaddafi?

NATO war crimes in Libya
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d3KaCNs290&feature=player_embedded"]Make No Mistake: NATO committed War Crimes in Libya - YouTube

 

The Orwellian hypocrisy of NATO’s mission “to protect civilians” in Libya has now been encapsulated in a vow from a NATO-backed Libyan rebel who announced plans to crush the few towns still loyal to Muammar Gaddafi with the words, “sometimes to avoid bloodshed you must shed blood,” as Robert Parry reports.

By NATO’s war in Libya, which began with high-minded declarations about “protecting civilians,” now appears likely to end with a bloodbath that will claim the lives of many civilians, albeit pro-Gaddafi civilians, not the earlier threatened anti-Gaddafi civilians.
Ali Tarhouni, a senior official of the NATO-backed Libyan rebels, summed up this Orwellian reality with a phrase reminiscent of the famous Vietnam War quote that “we had to destroy the village in order to save it.”
Tarhouni was quoted by the Associated Press as saying “Sometimes to avoid bloodshed you must shed blood – and the faster we do this the less blood will be shed.”
So, NATO’s rebels set a four-day deadline for Muammar Gaddafi’s remaining tribal strongholds, including his native Surte, to surrender or face a final crushing military strike, which the rebels presumably will mount as NATO aircraft pound Surte’s defenses.
NATO spokesman Col. Roland Lavoie explained that NATO still considered Gaddafi as a threat and thus NATO’s warplanes were still attacking his forces, especially on “a corridor to the eastern edge of Surte.”
In other words, even though Gaddafi’s loyalists have retreated to a few towns where he appears to retain strong popular support, NATO is paving the way for the rebels to overrun these communities. The mission “to protect civilians” has evolved into an operation designed to open pro-Gaddafi civilians to a hostile conquest.
New evidence also has surfaced showing that Gaddafi’s earlier claims that the rebel forces were permeated by Islamist extremists with terrorist affiliations were not just words, that he had reason and evidence to believe it.
The Washington Post reported Wednesday that “documents unearthed from the archives of Libya’s security service show the former government deeply worried about an Islamist threat to the regime, concerns that reverberated this week as veteran jihadists claimed credit for leading last week’s rebel takeover of Tripoli.”

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=26328

 

more videos and texts about the situation in Libya
http://truthaboutlibya.blogspot.com/search/label/Important facts about Libya

 

I think it was inevitable that some form of it would happen. I am also pretty sure that without it happening, and happening in a couple of other countries as well, that there will never be any type of peace in the middle east.

All these regimes were created by force and maintained by force. At some point in time, the people will rise up, over and over again until it does happen.

I think without NATO and US intervention, that this uprising would have been crushed as the ones in the past were, with brutality and extreme violence.

They now at least have a chance of building something better for themselves...

Will it happen? Will the final result of it all come out better for the libyans? I don't know... I hope so... Except for those in the old regimes inner circle, chances are good that things will improve at least somewhat for them.

I can't help but wonder if there isn't something much more dramatic happening then people think... Such as someone deciding that the US support of the dictator types must really be stopped, but because of the build up bullshit over the last 100 years, the only way they can do it, is to actually take out the overt threats that exist first... give a little nudge here and there, topple the dictators that are hard line opposition and replace them with 'leaders' who are more susceptible to the capitalistic system...

That could just be the smoke talking though, it does seem way too optimistic for me... lol

 

The top ten myths in the war against Libya
http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/08/31/the-top-ten-myths-in-the-war-against-libya/print

 

What you miss, is the same thing that those in charge miss... It doesn't matter a single bit why this happened, what the ulterior motives were or who is pulling the strings.

You claim to be against the war because its killing civilians and is done for all the wrong reasons, and totally ignore the fact that there are people fighting for their lives. All those that you dismiss as nothing but mere pawns in the giant conspiracy you see, are actual real people. Some good, some bad, some normal, some twisted... While you sit back and enjoy the freedom to express yourself, the majority of them were getting thrown in jail and shot for trying to get that same freedom.

Regardless of the 'causes' of it, simple fact it that it will be measured by how those people's live are on the other side of it... they at least now have a chance to express themselves and possibly build something better. They did not have that before, and unless they were part of the gahdaffi crew, they didnt have even have a chance at a 'good' life.

But hey, sit there on your computer admist your fantasies and discount those people that are fighting for their lives and freedoms in reality.

Just to be really clear, the author of that article, does not completely discount the people, he just considers them as you do, pawns who are apparently going to go along with whatever plan the west has for libya with no will of their own.

Of course, considering he acknowledges that there are actual people there that have their own desires for life without a dictator, maybe he is part of the conspiracy too, just being sneaky about it... that is how it works isn't it?

 

He just wants a little description: voila an article by an independent journalist who describes the lies in the western media and the real reasons why Libya is under attack

http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/07/27/lies-of-the-libyan-war/

 

Voila, an article that is very careful to say that he was better then the other dictators in the region, and all his people had the best of everything in comparison to the rest of the arab world...

How nice of the free to sit back and tell the not free that they should be happy because they aren't treated as bad as some others are...

 

Uhmmm, we are talking about Muammar Gaddafi, the autocratic ruler of Libya from 1969 -2011 aren't we?
I don't really think I need to waste my time expounding on the criminal nature of his regime or his violent means of staying in power that he employed.

Your statement quoted above has caused me to lose any and all respect or consideration for anything further you may have to say.

 

A simple no would suffice. Would I be right in thinking that you don't actually know any of the specifics involved but are chiming along with a particular crowd?

 

LOL even in the wikipedia history of Libya there is not a single word about "brutal dictatorship"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Libya

when I google "Libya brutal dictatorship", there is not a single article which proves anything, just stuff like that:
http://libyasos.blogspot.com/2011/08/gaddafi-is-brutal-dictator-western.html

 

Libyan "rebel" gets ass kicked in words:

For me the guy is more likely to be from the USA or Israel lol

He calls the Libyans "illiterate" and wants them to give away their oil to foreign powers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj8gBRBfvSA"]Libyan Rebel gets ass kicked with words! [English] George Galloway - YouTube
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The Libyan tribal council is against the NATO war:

http://www.mathaba.net/news/?x=628458?rss

 

It's just a bunch of fucking lies.
This entire thing has nothing to do with Gaddafi or freedom, etc
It's all about MONEY

 

LOL

That's priceless that is... The dictator and his supporters who used force to stay in power for 4 decades are crying foul over force being used to overthrow them...

 

Yes this was known from the begin on that it was the banks first like in this article I posted some months ago already

http://www.truth-out.org/libya-all-about-oil-or-all-about-banking/1302678000

Is he still insulting people? I do ignore that. If he does, he just shows that he has no arguments and makes himself look like an asshole

 

found this article on banking and economies, the background of the war on Libya

http://wichitaobserver.com/banking-and-the-economics-of-the-invasion-of-libya.html

 

Brutal dictatorship was my wording.
Look up Muammar Gaddafi in wikipedia;

Gaddafi created Revolutionary committees to keep tight control over internal dissent in 1973. Ten to 20 percent of Libyans worked as informants for these committees. Surveillance took place in the government, in factories, and in the education sector.[28] The government often executed dissidents through public hangings and mutilations and rebroadcast them on state television channels.[28][29] In 2011, Libya's press was rated as the most censored in the Middle East and North Africa.[30] People who formed a political party were executed, and talking about politics with foreigners was punishable by up to 3 years in jail. Arbitrary arrests were common and Libyans were hesitant to speak with foreigners.


Gaddafi has often expressed an overt contempt for the Berbers, a non-Arab people of North Africa, and for their language, maintaining that the very existence of Berbers in North Africa is a myth created by colonialists. He adopted new names for Berber towns, and on official Libyan maps, referred to the Nafusa Mountains as the "Western mountains".[47] In a 1985 speech, he said of the Berber language, "If your mother transmits you this language, she nourishes you with the milk of the colonialist, she feeds you their poison" (1985).[48] The Berber language was banned from schools and up until 2009, it was illegal for parents to name their children with Berber names.[49] Berbers living in ancient mud-brick caravan towns such as Ghadames were forced out and moved into modern government-constructed apartments in the 1980s.[2] During the 2011 civil war, Berber towns rebelled against Gaddafi's rule and sought to re-affirm their ancient identity as Berbers.[50][51][52] Gaddafi's government strengthened anti-Berber sentiment among Libyan Arabs, weakening their opposition.[


Libya enjoys large natural resources, but the high gross domestic product has been concentrated on Gaddafi's family and his elites, who have amassed vast fortunes.[54] Most of the business enterprise has been controlled by Gaddafi and his family.[55] Meanwhile, a large section of the population lives in poverty. One of the worst situations is in the eastern parts of the country.


Some of the worst economic conditions are in the eastern parts of the state, once a breadbasket of the ancient world.[56][57] Not much housing or infrastructure were developed for 40 years. For example, the only sewage facilities in Banghazi are over 40 years old, resulting in significant environmental problems as untreated sewage flows into ground and coast.[62] Under Gaddafi rule, the poor medical system had become an infuriating symbol of the spotty distribution of resources in the country. Libyans who afforded often had to seek medical care in neighboring countries such as Tunisia and Egypt because of lack of decent medical care in Libya.[57


Libya's society became increasingly Islamic during Gaddafi's rule. His "purification laws" were put into effect in 1994, punishing theft by the amputation of limbs, and fornication and adultery by flogging.[68] Under the Libyan constitution, homosexual relations are punishable by up to 5 years in jail.[69] A Westerner was shocked in 2005 to see Libyan society, saying it was:

... a country without alcohol, where the population abides by strict codes of male-female conduct that require both sexes to stay virgins until marriage—there are no dance clubs, no bars, no young couples strolling down the street, holding hands...I go in search of the town hotspot and discover it to be the local internet café, where crowds of young men play video games, enter English-language chat rooms, and examine—however surreptitiously—Western porn sites. It takes me a few minutes to notice that there’s not a single woman in the place. Away from the progressive cities of Tripoli and Benghazi, women stay largely in the home, out of sight. A local man, Mahmud, tells me that women here aren’t allowed to see or interact with males outside of their immediate family, including any would-be husband."[
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yup, sounds like he was a real open minded and gentle ruler

I could go on, but fuck!, I would have to repost the entire wikipedia article. Go read it for yourself.
Also, since YOU used and cited wikipedia as a valid source of information, than the article I linked is just as valid, so don't even try to come up with some bullshit about "American/UN conspiracy" to try to say it's not valid.

Some of you guys are so entrenched in your own personal vendetta against America that you will believe ANYTHING and EVERYTHING if it falls in line with your personal vendetta.

Fucking tools, pull your heads out!

 

LOL in Libya maybe some dissidents were killed- thats nothing compared to the USA who killed and are still killing MILLIONS in agression wars and covered operations against other countries.

 

Once again.... those that are getting shot in libya for speaking out should be happy that there weren't more that were shot???