Trump Acquittal Thoughts?

That's smelly

 

I never looked at Trump as any worse, than others before him. Now I heard he pardoned white collar criminals. Let them do their time. One big corrupt system.

 

Notice what KIND of crooks he pardoned?? White-collar criminals. And in "higher-up" positions. Michael Milken fleeced millions of dollars from everyday Americans who invested their money in his bond funds. Bernie Kerick (sp?) convicted of tax evasion, Eddie DiBartolo Jr. convicted of extortion, Paul Pogue - the owner of a construction company in Texas (not sure what his crime was), and others. If you and I had done any of those things, no president is going to pardon us. The rich & "well placed" take care of the rich & "well placed."

And yesterday Trump declared himself the "chief law enforcement officer for the country." Sound like democracy to anyone?? I can't wait to have a Democrat President do and say some of the same shit as Trump to see the Republicans rolling on the floor screaming like babies at how that Dem president is a tyrant, a dictator, an autocrat, etc. When the veins are popping out in their necks and foreheads - I hope some of them burst for their blatant hypocrisy.

 

I like this example because the situation in Norway is far better than that in the United States. Here is an excerpt from a good website for explaining where the taxes go. It says that social equality is important. It also says that the money goes to an extensive network of social programs that we envy in this country, for the most part...:

Norwegian Tax for Beginners

I could get used to this... ^

 

Also during the Trump administration, the first step act, which has reduced the sentences of mostly black inmates




The Formerly Incarcerated Reenter Society Transformed Safely Transitioning Every Person Act or First Step Act reforms the federal prison system of the United States of America, and seeks to reduce recidivism. An initial version of bill H.R. 5682 was sponsored by Rep. Douglas Collins [R-GA-9] (Introduced 05/07/2018) and passed the House of Representatives (360–59) on May 22, 2018;[1] a revised bill passed the U.S. Senate (on a bipartisan 87–12 vote) on December 18, 2018.[2] The House approved the bill with Senate revisions on December 20, 2018 (358–36). The act was signed by President Donald Trump on December 21, 2018, before the end of the 115th Congress.[3] The act, among many provisions, retroactively applies the Fair Sentencing Act, allows for employees to store their firearms securely at federal prisons, restricts the use of restraints on pregnant women, expands compassionate release for terminally ill patients, places prisoners closer to family in some cases, authorizes new markets for Federal Prison Industries, mandates de-escalation training for correctional officers and employees, and improves feminine hygiene in prison.


91 Percent of Inmates Freed by First Step Act Were Black. Should We Give Republicans Credit?

 

doesn't Norway also have paid leave for both parents when a baby is born? I seem to recall that it does.

Anywho… I honestly don't think Donald Trump's 'behavior' is excusable. The only argument that makes any sense to me is when some poor republican says something like "while his behavior is inexcusable it is not impeachable"; though I feel impeachment was an appropriate response because the man withheld all that money; not for national security, but in order to coerce the Ukrainian president into making an announcement about Joe Biden. And all the times he prevented subpoenas from being adhered to... well, that amounts to significant obstruction of the duties of U.S. Congress; namely the oversight duties. It looks horrible for republicans too when their guy is up there being an impulsive personality/lying to Americans. A child can see through it.

 

It makes it all sound rosey, but the deductions make it not progressive at all. They don't mean deductions the way you think of them, things you don't pay tax on, it's a 45% deduction on taxable income that gets taxed; i.e the rich don't pay any tax on 45% of their income. Basically the Norwegian middle class gets screwed the most

 

What you really need to look at is why a sitting president can't be indicted and then tried independently by your highest court.

Which is the case in a lot of countries.

Impeachment, the jury is your Senate, which is ridiculous if the person being impeached is of the same political party as that which has majority in the senate

 

that's absolutely true. Unfortunately, our Supreme Court is all tied up with a half-ton of other cases. It's sad that those can't be put on hold while an impeachment hearing is conducted.

 

but while they don't have tons of money, they likely don't need money for a whole bunch of things. I think there's a trad-off in there somewhere.

 

The starting point, as I thought I mentioned, is what the average family of four pays for basic necessities: food, housing, clothing, heating/cooling, transportation, work/school supplies, and a small "miscellaneous" category. He figured that at $24,000. For billionaires, the figure is presumably the same. "Dispsable income", of course, is what's left over after taxes: Post-tax household income. The lowest quintile pays no income tax, although they pay 15.3% FICA taxes to cover Social Security and Medicare. The second quintile, the lower middle class, has a hard time making ends meet after taxes. And the point is obvious. If a millionaire family pays five times more dollars a year than a lower middle class taxpayer in absolute money, it still has a lot more left over for yachts, vacations, second homes, vehicles, etc., and to invest in the stock market. Billionaire Warren Buffett told us that he paid a 16.5% federal tax rate while middle class people working for him were paying 25%.

 

I think the theory of theological evolution should be examined in a university/academic venue.

 

Try and get a source thats more legit for starters

 

I wonder what exactly you're at odds with in his elaborated post? Hope you clarify.

 

For VG, this is a game. He can always find something to be at odds with.

 

It often looks like that, I agree. Sometimes he seems to make a serious point. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt here. His response should make it clear.

 

Which one? Are you talking about John Talbott, Associate Professor of Finance, SP Jain School of Global Management, Dubai? He seems to have the qualifications to hold forth on the mater in question and his facts can be readily checked. S P Jain’s is highly ranked by the Wall Street Journal, Forbes, the Economist, and the Financial Times.Talbott has authored ten books and a number of professional journal articles.

 

I get that impression like he's always taking the opposing and less popular view just cuz. And it's not necessarily a bad thing. It forces the rest of us to really think about our stances on a subject. the internet needs more of him. And also less

 

Only problem is, Trump isn't necessarily the less popular view. I expect him to win in November. His average approval nationwide is now 46%, and even Hip Forums seems to have a goodly share of MAGA devotees, including Super Moderators. While contrarians have their uses, they can also do damage by giving support to some really shitty causes, in this case a corrupt and dangerous demgogue. And VG does it in a way that seems to me calculated to confuse and obscure. This "Devil's Advocate" stuff can be taken too literally!