Trump is not racist: Change my mind

I didn't say thanks to Donald Trump, but he is the most direct evidence, especially since people keep applauding him for his honesty. Of course, only his base does that. That is not an honest man, though. That is a greatly dishonest individual.

But yeah, people largely seem to have forgotten that honesty isn't all about opening your big mouth and saying whatever is in your head. It always has to be stuff that appeals to the lowest common denominator, too. Like if a girl says, "Man, I love sucking huge cocks," then she's being so open and honest, right? I don't think so. Honest Abe was called honest for a reason. Because he was a humble, principled man.

 

Abe? You mean Lincoln, the one that wiped out a whole bunch of Indians

That Abe?

 

Abe Lincoln didn't do that. I'm talking about honest Abraham Lincoln, the boy who returned a nickel because he was undercharged at a convenience store. I can tell you what, Donald DUMP wouldn't have the common decency to do that.

How about you argue with me about what honesty is. How about you look me in the eye and try and tell me, with a straight face, that Donald Trump is an honest man.

 

I just want you to tell me that Trump is fair and honest and concerned for others' welfare. Just tell me.

 

No politician really has that in their invested interests. Sheep believe that. No politician is concerned about any of us Hip Forumers lol.

 

Honesty is a rare quality these days. Our political ranks are filled almost ubiquitously with self-serving con-artists. Donald Trump is their ringleader. And all he does is inspire more and more people to only be concerned with themselves, which is extremely exacerbated by his idiotic base trying to fulfill their own misguided desires.

 

The media and too many political hacks are trying to sell all of us on the idea that we're still mired in 1940s-style racism. THAT is what I'm not buying. Granted I have seen the claims escalate, but it seems more like it's being used for other kinds of gains, more as a bludgeon than any effort to limit it. The concept of racism is being skewed to serve just about anything people choose to gripe about (the robot nonsense from New Zealand is a prime example). It's as if people are pining for the good old days of the civil rights movement since we don't have any reason for lunch counter sit-ins anymore, so people are literally creating shit to bitch about.

So I think most of the racism claims I am hearing these days, daily on NPR, are bullshit. I'm worn out on it since I too remember the 60s and we simply are not there anymore and haven't been for a long long time. Another weirdness that is keeping the discussion alive is the spurious claim that some people can't even be racists. If they're humans, they can hate, and hate is the center of the universe for racists, not this "power" bullshit I've been hearing about (which is just as foolish as making a similar case about rape).

But by all means, "change my mind".

 

Is that really a big factor in what's keeping the racist discussion alive? I hear it more often by people who try to trivialize that racism is an issue than that it's actually a big part of any discussion. If it get mixed in it gets easily and quickly refuted by the sensible convo partners and left behind. It's silly that some people claim this but not a big deal to or in the general discussion.

 

Making perfect sense

They are racists, they see Trump as one of their own ( your opinion), somehow that = Trump is a racist

PETA are vegan, if they gave money / saw Trump as one of their own, wouldnt make Trump a vegan

Its a tired, lame, old logic defying argument

 

no, but it would imply that Trump held views on animal welfare that they would support.

but he doesn't, so they wouldn't...

whether he himself is a racist, or not, he stands for a world in which racists feel they can express themselves more freely.

 

I guess this thread is supposed to focus about Trump actually being racist or not but that is not the crux of the problem in american society and racism. This is:

And hey, if people were expressing their racist thoughts and convictions in a thought out way and seeking honest and constructive debate I would think ok. But as usual the far majority of it is aiming to discriminate, provoke and offend and deliberately polarize. And yes, the current president is encouraging that with his own dubious way of communicating.

 

This!

 

No, I just don't buy the constant hype. And NPR can't even do a story about landing on the moon without dredging up race.

 

Yes it is. Imagine having a free pass to hate everyone for anything, but nobody gets to hate you back. It means anyone claiming they can't possibly be a racist will never ever grow out of it.

 

As he should, and as I do.
I'm not racist, but I respect the individual right to believe what one wishes
Be it hateful or not

Besides, any one who actually believes that we can stomp out racism is foolish. Racism starts with an idea, and one that has existed since the beginning of human history. deigning concern about whether or not the POTUS is racist is waste of time.

Be understanding
Even unto hate
Because Good is never around
Without Evil waiting at the door

 

But just because some say they can't be doesn't mean that's acknowledged by a lot of people. And how is it such a big factor in keeping the racist discussion alive? Does the discussion (general, not just here) for a large part revolve around that? As far as i know it doesn't