Truth And Justice

I think he means that Islam needs people to question whether or not what is going on is what Muhammed would have done.

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What? Isn't that what Islamic people are supposed to do? Isn't that what all people of faith are supposed to do?

 

Yes, that is his point.

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oh ok

 

I mean to say that Islam too should be analysed by muslims themselves with ruthless logic and reason, and its faults should be understood , and taught to the public by them, so that they won't repeat the same mistakes, and will think for themselves.

But I don't think there is much chance of this happening, though I would like to be optimistic. I know of moderate islamic scholars in India who advocated change in islam and in its perception towards others, and who were brutally killed. Same in other countries.

However as I said, I like to be optimistic.

 

Oh ok. I understand now, thanks

 

Man once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without rudder, is the sport of every wind.


-Thomas Jefferson to James Smith, 1822.

 

Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.



-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787

 

I just had to comment on this, the most moronic quote I've read in a while.

Righteousness has nothing to do with truth and is based on religious ideologies and faith that actually hinder and butcher real truth. What?! How is this, I'll explain...

The religious mind knows of righteousness intimately, but knows absolutely NOTHING about truth and justice... read on ...

Having faith is to close your mind and block all other possible truths from being considered. There is no real truth in religion. Religion by nature is anti-truth !!

Christian Religion knows nothing of justice because sins are forgiven as long as you accept Jesus and God and all earthly sins will be evaluated in another dimension in another life by a God, not a man. A God that they believe exists by using faith or anti-truth!!

 

First off, you CANNOT disprove God exists, just like a Christian cannot prove God exists. So, your "truth" about religion is nothing more than an oppinion, just like a Christians "truth".

Secondly, I know many people of faith that keep an open mind (probablly more-so than anyone on this site). They realize when facts are facts and then they formulate their oppinions.

 

And u have given moronic arguments as well, which I now have to dissect.

Just as truth is objective and is not the private property of any single religion, similarly is righteousness. It too is objective.

Krishna and Buddha, emphasize reasoning and logic heavily , in order to find out the truth.


Of the debatants and disputants, I am Vaada ( logic and reasoning ).

-- Krishna



Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.”

--- Buddha (Hindu Prince Gautama Siddharta, the founder of Buddhism, 563-483 B.C.)










“Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.”

Buddha



It is only by the exercise of reason that man can discover God.

--Thomas Paine

 

Let us be one in Love!

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Let us all be one in truth and love .

 

Truth can be subjective... Let us be one with the DIVINE truth that we will one day see, when we attain Nirvana...

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Righteousness is in no way objective, I'm sorry it just isn't!! Faith is No way, no how, the least bit objective!!!! NO NO NO !!



NO!!

I believe this is the Christian section of the forums, Buddhist philosophies are not only irrelevant here but apparently completely incompatible in meaning. Not only are you trying to compare apples with oranges, your trying to sell a mixture if apple-orange juice to a population who just want more apple juice, not that they have any taste buds or "sense" to tell the difference, they are just "God" damned thirsty!!

Righteous to a buddhist certainly has a completely different meaning than to a Christian. Righteous is bullshit, righteous is arrogance. When it comes to man and religion, there IS NO RIGHT!!! There is only somewhat wrong, plain wrong, or totally "way the hell off" wrong! Every religion WRONGLY assumes that they have the answers and none of them do!


Again, reasoning and logic have absolutely nothing to do with faith, which is a component of righteousness, which is what were talking about. I've read lots of religious babble with their so called reasoning, and it all makes perfect sense to a brain afflicted with the religious God gene. To another brain it makes perfect nonsense !!!!

 

It seems like you are an another dogmatic fool.

By your absurd reasoning, then truth, which is also used by the christians and the bible, should also not be objective.

Even atheists and agnostics have used the word righteousness.

You were the one who said that religion is anti-truth. Hence I corrected it by showing the teachings of Krishna and Buddha.

Since u attacked religion, it was my duty to defend the dharmic religions and deism.

If u said christianity is anti-truth, then it would have been a different matter.

 

What? What are you talking about? You're not making any sense brother!!! Truth? Bible? WHAT???



I'm an Atheist!! I'm the flippin' opposite of dogmatic, are you kidding me!?

I have no problem with Buddhists except when they post on a Christian forum and create and support nonsense!! You're trying to mix oil and water. You can not take “righteous” in a Godless Buddhist context and use it in a Godful Christian context and walk away with the same meaning.

Religions no nothing of truth and you just proved it by using yours to create nonsense!! Stop talking the talk and start walking the walk, or at least try to understand what your talking about. It's easy to spew off these quotes but do you even understand what you regurgitate? Apparently not at all!! You're not defending your religion, your making yourself look like a fool.

 

I do not believe so.

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Has anyone ever SEEN the wind? The air? no Are they there? yes. just because you can't see something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Some Christians would even say they have seen/heard God or one of God's messengers.

You sound like a little kid having a temper tantrum lol Faith can be objective, but from what I've read you can't.

 

Only someone who is completely un-objective and blinded by faith can say that faith is objective.

And it’s kind of hard not to loose your cool when you're trying to explain things to delusional, closed minded people that think that you're the closed minded person and refuse to grasp basic concepts and bloody definitions and call me a fool when they don't even know the fucking definition of dogmatic!!!!!!!

Why do I keep trying to reason with the insane!!??


Explain to me how religious faith in God is the least bit objective.