Truth ~ christianity's worst nightmare

Many have searched for truth, truly, and they have found many answers.

I do not ask for the 'truth' of scriptures. More fundamentally: can one be led to truth? Can one be given a path to truth? Is there a path to it? To God? Can a path, which is limited in its relative perception, lead one to the totality of God, Truth?

We all wish to be led to truth, to an end of our pain and a birth of new happiness. We all wish to understand, and we all take various paths to this understanding. How does your path, which is itself limited to its particular way of seeing existence, hold more weight than another?

Step off the path. The valley is not at the end of the road, it is here. We should not limit ourselves to a single path. . . A road can only show you a certain perspective. Have no road, walk where you may, and let all be a revelation.

Truth, which simply is, totally, cannot be obtained, led to. Truth is the beginning of our existence, not the end. The valley is here. No single approach, knowledge, dogma, scripture or doctrine can give one truth. These words do not give anyone truth. It is something that must be discovered through your own eyes. Through the eyes of one who is awake to 'thusness', what simply is. A mind fresh and new, not chained to thought, for thought breeds fragmentation of Truth, limiting us to bits and pieces of the whole. A mind not conditioned to walk down the roads, but to see the entirety of the valley in which we all wander.

 

Indeed AmericanWanderer ~ only those who actually search for truth will ever find it. The one's who pre-determine what truth is or where it will be found are the one's who become consumed by lies.


The key of the christian deceit is post-rationalization

 

Um...it's all right there in my post, man. He took the prophecy in Isaiah, which said that a young woman/"virgin" would have a son and name him Emmanuel and save the people, and used it to apply to Jesus. Emmanuel was born hundreds of years BEFORE Jesus and did save the people from that situation. It was referring to a completely different person.

 

what poll did mr ree lose?

oh, youre talking about jd4u losing poll in christianity forum .

 

In many cases it states "this is to fulfill the words of Isaiah"

Keep in kind the meaning of Emmanuel-- "God with us"

Jesus was God and He was with us here on earth.

 

No Emmanuel has ever been born to fulfill any purported prophecy. Christians will, however, actively twist truth and deceive in order to convolute the name "jesus" into "emmanuel" ~ as much apreposterous lie as the zero percent reading for the question It's right to 'twist' Truth.

 

No Emmanuel has ever been born to fulfill any purported prophecy. Christians will, however, actively twist truth and deceive in order to convolute the name "jesus" into "emmanuel" ~ as much a preposterous lie as the zero percent reading for the question "It's right to twist the truth."

 

Are you sure about that? Go and read all of the book of Isaiah and get back to me.

The prophecy is taken out of context and mistranslated. THERE WAS AN EMMANUEL, 600 years before Jesus' birth, and HE DID FULFILL A PROPHECY.

The actual prophecy is this:
"Behold, the young woman is with child and will bear a son and she will call his name Emmanuel."

No virgin involved whatsoever! This was completely fabricated! I can show you the Hebrew, for God's sake.

Actually, Emmanuel was the son of the prophet Isaiah. He was a “messiah” in his time because he was sent to deliver the House of David from the Kings of Syria and Israel (Isaiah 7:1-13). Some say that because Emmanuel means "God with us" that it refers to Jesus as well, but in NO instance in the Bible does anyone directly call Jesus "Emmanuel."

In my opinion, Matthew did some serious tweaking here. I blame him for the confusion, not Emmanuel, Jesus, or God.

 

Emmanuel means "God with us." Jesus is God. Jesus was with us.

 

So who was this "emmanuel" 600 years b4 Jesus birth? You have mentioned him several times but have given no support for this. Who was he? Did he fulfill any other prophecies?

 

Prophecy named an "emmanuel" , not a "jesus" not any convolution of this name means this, that or anything but Emmanuel.
Eiither the prophecy is false, the name is wrong, or the meaning being given to the prophecy is a fabrication. The latter is the most likely given the christian bent to deceive.

 

I mean that the post rationalizatiion by christianity fabricates OT prophecy into their own convolutions of truth as you have pointed out AmericanWanderer.

 

WAS THE MESSIAH TO BE CALLED EMMANUEL?

Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. (KJV)

Matthew 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS. (KJV)

Considering the fact that these two passages are only two passages apart in the same book, a contradiction is unlikely. 'Emmanuel' is a title, not a proper name. Jesus is referred to as Emmanuel, or 'God with us'. Not a contradiction.

 

Anyway, God is the G and controls us, so essentially, Gs us. Same exact meaning as emmanuel, the name Jesus (Gs us).

 

MrRee,

Jesus was referred to as 'Yeshua' in the Hebrew Old Testament, 'Iesus' in the Greek New Testament, and 'Jesus' is the English translation. All three words are the same word, only translated. But his real name was 'Iesus' because that's the language that he (and his mates) spoke.

The text in your sig is not quite accurate. God didn't plan for humans to be sinful. He gave us the choice and we chose sin! If you're going to criticise the Christian theology then it's important to understand this fundamental principle.

 

2 people chose sin. It's kinda lame to punish billions, no trillions eternally because 2 people ate some fruit god and satan tempted them with. Good thing it's only a story, I would be disappointed if that was our god. I'm one of those "sinful" humans and I would never be so mean to the people of the world, regardless if I thought they asked for it.

 

Sin was bound to happen sooner or later. Adam and Eve were created into a perfect world and therefore had to perfect in order to maintain the perfection. But you see how impossible it is to be perfect. We as a human race could not even go a generation without sin. The same measure will be held to enter heaven. Heaven is perfect and one must be perfect to enter heaven. So how does imperfect people, enter heaven?

 

so then god doomed humans to hell. He tricked us, purposely put the tree in eden just so we would sin. How do imperfect people enter heaven? simple, God works in mysterious ways, dont assume you know how god works. If there were a God and heaven, he would judge each person according to how they lived their lives. Explain what happens to mentaly handicapped people who do not know religion, do they go to hell? Ive never heard a straight answer to that.

 

Colours,

-First of all we have free will. God wanted true love and for us to not automatically obey Him. God put the Tree of Life in the garden to give Adam and Eve the option of choosing God or the Devil (Interestingly enough, the world still chooses the Devil over God). God did not trick anyone. He told them not to eat from the tree from the start or they would surely die. There are speed limit signs, when a person speeds and gets a ticket did the government trick that person? Perfection requires 100% purity. Have you ever met a perfect person? (Neither have I) If God was to judge everyone by there works then everyone would go to hell because no one is perfect. But through the gift of salvation we may LIVE.

-God is fair... God knows if they would have accepted or rejected Him. That is the answer... but is it the answer that you want... I don't know...

take care

 

...........all of which relies entirely upon the un-foundfed, un-factual un-confirmed supposition that a supposed "jesus" ever existed! But basics appear way too deep for you to understand, it seems.
Furthermore, the supposed jesus was deified by Constantine, and not by popular acclaim or historical fact as you so mistakenly believe.
Believe what you will, but only the truth will set you free...........

FORGERIES IN THE FORGED GOSPELS​

That the Four Gospels, as we have them, are very late productions, issued in the names of apostles a century and more dead, and are therefore forgeries, is now proven beyond peradventure. That they are not, even in the form that Bishop Irenaeus first knew them, each the work of one inspired mind and pen, is as readily and conclusively provable. They are, each and all Four, clumsy compilations framed by different persons and at very different times, as is patent on their face; they are thus concatenations of forgeries within forgeries.

http://www.harrington-sites.com/f5.htm