U.S. Government: How It SHOULD Work

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Fyrenza, Apr 13, 2009.

  1. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    I don't agree that a constitution needs to be constantly rewritten. If it was based on reasonable concepts and limited in conferring absolute power then it would be timeless.

    The purpose of any government on a fundamental level is to provide for public safety and order for the society it governs. How it goes about doing that is another story.
     
  2. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    I think if some weren't allowed to legally game the system and get away with it while those without power were continually legislated in a manner that additionally rewards the gamers we'd all be a lot happier. And so glad to see Mother that in your plan you don't claim it will trickle but rather that it will domino. I've been waiting for my trickle since Reagan, but it seems they always fill the trickle hole in the bucket before I ever get my drink.
     
  3. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    Earth


    But that’s the thing my eyes and mind are open and so I can see and realise when something is simplistic and naïve.

    It’s not about thinking hard but about thinking things through.

    It not a worry more a concern when people clearly haven’t thought things through and more a feeling of sadness when they seemingly don’t even want to.

    If people stop questioning then to a large extent they can be manipulated by others.

    And I did notice you didn’t address what I said.

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    But that’s the rub, what are people happy with, simplistic but great sounding platitudes or something a little more thought through?

    You seem to like the platitudes but others might want something that has a bit more to it.
     
  4. earthmother

    earthmother senior weirdo

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    I believe I have answered the pertinent questions.;)

    If you are in doubt, re-read.

    I already answered the original post as well.

    And I never STOP questioning. But it's THE WAY THINGS ARE that I question.

    If you were the president of "Any Country, USA", and sincerely wanted to know what I thought could help fix things, I would be more than happy to delve into more minute detail.
     
  5. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    I wish world leaders would talk with you Earthmother. They might be hugely surprised to find some practical workable ideas.
     
  6. Carlfloydfan

    Carlfloydfan Travel lover

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    No point in talking about how government SHOULD work, government will never work.
     
  7. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    I agree there are many in government that do not work. But I wouldn't want to live in the society of other people without some form of government. There are too many other people richer, armed, stronger, crazier and bigger than I am for me to think I can protect my own life and interests without some form of structure.
     
  8. jamesrock

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    What????? Wow I think this is nuts!!!!
     
  9. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Government is not designed or intended to work. That is what people don't understand. Government has never existed to make things better for the people it lords over. This is why there was a time when everyone was rightfully suspicious of any and all government, and actually kept an eye open so they could be there to demand their rights be respected when that government stepped out of line. Today, people are domesticated like sheep, and they have been thoroughly conditioned to see their abusers as good shepherds who are there to care for them; to house them, to provide them "free" health care, to educate their children, and to wipe their bums and kiss their booboos. Blind faith has replaced natural survival instincts of self-preservation. This is also why there are few truly individualistic people anymore. They have been trained in collectivist thinking and to blindly obey all authority -- to DEPEND on that authority for their very own survival.
     
  10. earthmother

    earthmother senior weirdo

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    Why, thank you!:D
     
  11. earthmother

    earthmother senior weirdo

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    Maybe one reason that government does not work so well as it is, is because it IS far too complicated. It is expected to be complicated, and the common man assumes he will never understand it all, which leads to it being even more complex. There's no reason for any real accountability, because it is just assumed that it is all too complicated for the common man to grasp anyhow... If we could just get back down to some very basic principles, that would be a good place to find some real change.
     
  12. Dave_techie

    Dave_techie I call Sheniangans

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    1. Federal law should exist, BUT, state constitutions will over ride federal law, only the federal constitution will over-ride state constitutions

    the hierarchy will be

    Constitution
    State constitution
    Federal law
    State law

    if I think gay people should not marry in my state, I will sponsor an amendment to the state constitution, if I think they should, same thing

    state constitutional practices will be standardized within certain limits, obviously, nevada, and california can't have the same rules, because of the disparity of population, but, if they are "shaped" the same, you are good


    Charities, and non-profits will be separate groups

    there will be 20 classes of charity, non-profit, and public service organization

    you will be able to give to combinations of these organizationns and completely alleviate your tax burden if any.

    there will be private organizations which will garnish no more than 3% profit who will assemble packages for tax-payers, who would rather donate to "worthy causes"

    no tax breaks for donating to shit like yale.

    investing in certain kinds of amall business will offer you the same kinds of drastic tax breaks, people who are creating jobs in this country ARE helping, and deserve tax breaks

    free healthcare for all, any for profit medical organization will be re-structured.

    if medical overhead costs do not drop to 8% in the next ten years, all companies in non-compliance will be absorbed by their competitors

    if military hardware budgets exceed 15% over budget, they are cancelled, or sold to a company who is able to meet budget, unforseen cost over-runs are a sign of managerial failure, and as such, should be punished.


    I've got some more if you care to hear.
     
  13. def zeppelin

    def zeppelin All connected

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    Without success? Are you sure about that? I am against radicalized religions but I have recognized how churches act as a community organizer... something to bring a deeper sense of community.

    Also, most religious followers barely understand their own belief... combine that with dogmas, and the main ideas are lost. Just because religions have failed (for the most part, not entirely, because of the sense of community I mentioned) doesn't mean these ideas will.

    We impose this behavior by creating an overhaul in our education system and instill studies that are more conducive to teaching children a deeper sense of self. I am not talking about religious indoctrination. I am mostly talking about adding more humanities classes and whatever is known to improve on intrapersonal skills. Right now, children just focus on remembering as many facts as possible... removing the grading system might be a good idea.

    Maybe get in some meditative classes, where no one is forced to learn anything they don't want to, but where good behaviors can be learned. I don't think our current school system caters to this.

    Basically, getting together and combining all of our expertise in figuring out exactly how to do this in a down to earth way.... I am an not expert, so I really can't give specifics, just an overall idea. The details will be left to those within education -- Creativity will be encouraged.

    Right now, our school system is ancient and institutionalized, and was designed for the industrial age.

    Give students of all ages an oppurtunity to work on their 'natural talents', or whatever they seem to be driven by. If these opportunities are offered, everyone would find what they enjoy doing, and what you enjoy doing is what you're good at... Right now, repression is looked at as being strength, and forcing people to work towards something they do not enjoy actually prevents growth.

    Btw, I never suggested that you weren't open with your political stances. I just wanted to see it clearly in one post. Thanks.
     
  14. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Let's get back to our constitution, it's not long and it's not difficult to understand, but it's up to the populus to insist that it be followed even in times of crisis.
     
  15. earthmother

    earthmother senior weirdo

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    'Twould be nice, but no one can even agree on what some of it means...
     
  16. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    That's the role of the supreme court as outlined in the constitution. They have the final word in it's interpretation.

    And as Hamilton stated in the Federalist Papers number 78:

     
  17. Aristartle

    Aristartle Snow Falling on Cedars Lifetime Supporter

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    The government doesn't have to work. We have to work for it.
     
  18. Fawkes

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    WRONG!!!! Because the government can be trusted even less than the corporations. SunLion, this country has come a long way in the past 2 hundred years, and there are advancements that Washington and crew could never have predicted. But strong central government is the LAST thing this country needs. Washington called government evil. We need stronger state governments, genius.
     
  19. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Yes, this ideology applies to communist and fascist dictatorships. In a free country, the government works for the people -- not the other way around.

    There was a time when the police used to be referred to as CIVIL SERVANTS (because they were working for the people). Now it's THE AUTHORITIES and LAW ENFORCEMENT.
     
  20. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    It's not that the government is to be trusted less than the coporations. The government is run by the corporations. That is the problem. That's why the government works for the interests of big business and not the people. It's corporatism.
     

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