Ukraine & Russia

Well don't forget, it all looked like Yanukovich would sign a trade deal with the EU. But the offer was crap, and incompatible with a Russia deal. Then, the EU and US went into top gear and started having theirs (and other) trained people in the Ukraine kill more Berkut, cops, govt officials and other civillians.

The Ukraine shows similarities with the West. Many people are disillusioned with many politicians. But Pty of the Regions was by far the most popular - despite the Nazis and Nationalists burning down many of its offices etc.

Tymoshenko is a crook, and probably a murderer. The Nazis are scum. They are closely linked with the "Nationalists" who are basically Nazis in suits and trying to appear more "respectable". Klitschko is just a stooge for another corrupt oligarch who is based in Germany.. surprise surprise. Yanukovich tried to be firm against the Nazis... but wasn't firm enough. And altho he is the most popular, he's hardly a politician Russia would consider to be a "poster boy".

The Ukraine is now being turned into a banana republic by mafias who are backed by the EU/US. (Just as they have backed Al Qaeda to meet their aims).

Bearing in mind the country has getting on 50m people, the protests werent THAT big. Only a few hundred hardcore killers and a few thousand or so behind that. The other numbers were just normal people wanting a more settled, civilised and prosperous life. It wasn't even a protest vs Yanuk, but a protest against the whole system which had been caused by much of the political class and organs of power which are held by various oligarchs.

The Western press has claimed it is all "The West v Russia", but it is not. Only the paid extremists/Nationalists and the neo Nazis tried to turn it into that.

The Ukraine had some wonderful technologies (like aeronautics etc), but Russia frankly coulddnt trust working with them on many projects. It would be like America sharing nuclear weapons tech with Iran. This is because of a powerful, small group that tends to reside in parts of the Western Ukraine. So it has gone into a spiral of poverty.

So some of the occasional big rally protesters were saying "get your act togther" and give us jobs and prosperity.

As an aside, the East is different to the West. FOr instance, in Russia there were mass "protests" in FAVOUR of intervention in Russia ie what the govt was already doing.

The people who killed cops, stormed govt buildings and the like were an entirely different breed to the others who simply appeared to protest.

On a daily basis, the big protesters were mainly from places like Lvov. Their mentality is massively anti-Russian. They are the sons and grandsons of Nazis. They will happily kill Russians or anyone who looks towards Russia. Ofcourse there was a lot of propaganda attached to it in the Western press. But the truth is, anywhere in the West and they would have all been locked up or killed.

So, to sum up, I think we have to say that the coup organisers were entirely the extremists. Its about racism, nationalism, a power grab, an emerging mafia, and ultimately alliance with foreign supporting groups.

 

Obama got punked
Putin is tired of lies and games
Finance, commerce and politics make what was before or now of less priority
Everybody else involved is basically opportunistic, especially the obama cartel
At least it has failed as a chance to do another false flag on us for a bit
Cool about the pyramids they found in crimea!
Get some walking in and a bowl

 

John Kerry has everything under control, just loan the bankrupt Nazi run government $1 billion of US taxpayer's dough. Then maybe we ought to drone a few wedding parties just to show we care. After that, we can invade and put those huge Ukraine grain fields to our own good use, then trade all the produce to a starving China.
The profit from the grain, plus what we are skimming off the opium crop in Afghanistan should keep us in the #1 slot for years to come.

 

That's actually seems closer to it than all the complex theories of strategies.

 

Do yourself a favour "mate". Use the links, read some history read and some facts. Sorry, I've got better things to do than reply to gibberish.
Ignorance like yours demonstates perfectly why America is so despised by so much of the World.

Maybe we'll have a bit of karma and someone will set you on fire with a molotov cocktail when you're trying to do your job!
I wonder if you'll applaud the person who threw it?


Don't bother replying to me, you're on ignore!

 

Bwahahahha!

 

you are the one here who obviously doesn't know shit about history.

Ukraine and russia share a lot of history, but they are not one and the same thing. Ukrainians are not russians, in fact, they never have been. they're a slavic nation of their own standing. they formed a union with russia out of their own free will, and that's how they were integrated into the russian empire. but they always have been a nation on their own.

your analogy is ridiculous. at least make an informed resemblance of an analogy, rather than just throwing two random points on Earth together. it is more accurate to say that Texas belongs under Europe, than to claim that Ukraine is russia. who cares Texas long claimed its independence and was subsequently annexed to US, right? its inhabitants still predominantly came from Europe, so they must be Europeans. Ukrainians aren't even russians in the sense that white Americans are Europeans.

stop spreading bullshit.

 

But I still think Buddhists in America can have the opinion that Ideology exists for one who is not sure to be politically correct for fellowship with friends.

 

Yep, Ukrainians aren't Russians, but there are ethnic Russians in Ukraine.

 

Different language too.

 

Is this called an overture from Russia for detente. Russia no longer being an ally of the U.S. considers the judgement of peace with It to being like reduction to greed: a Russian like a Syrian brags that that their greed is better than the U.S.'s for their greed is freely chosen, wooo..ooh! The U.S. couldn't fight the Russians as enemies because they instead get weak with their greed; get haplessly slaves to it. Actually North Korea said it like that a few years ago.


http://news.yahoo.com/russia-warns-could-reduce-zero-economic-dependency-us-083926261.html?vp=1

But from a cold war perspective this is detente. :sunny:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiKF8JN1qmk"]FULL VIDEO: Putin speaks Ukraine, Yanukovich, Maidan, Crimea - YouTube

 

Oldest Pyramid found in Crimea Ukraine
Is This The Cause of he military invasion ?



[video=youtube;-aNLvFKPvPc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aNLvFKPvPc[/video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aNLvFKPvPc"]Is This The Cause of War? Oldest Pyramid On Earth Found Buried In Crimea, Ukraine! - YouTube





Seems like a pattern emerging...

Bosnia- Bosnian pyramid

Iraq- ziggurats are excavated, Baghdad batteries and the museum

Afghanistan - vault of Alexander is raided

Crimea , Ukraine, Russia- ancient Gog and Magog and the 65 million year old pyramid and tiny body with a crown (1.4 meters)

http://rt.com/news/russia-test-fire-icbm-825/

just routine !

 

More hypocrisy from the UK govt.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/03/05/russia-arms-trade_n_4901787.html?1394014948&utm_hp_ref=uk

 

Alex Jones is reporting that the Estonians have uncovered evidence indicating that the west had hired snipers to shoot protestors in Kiev, to make the Yanukovich government and the Russians look bad.

 

But then again it is Alex Jones...

 

The more u look into it, the more it is overwhelmingly clear.

The coup, the atrocities commited by its supporters, have NOTHING WHATSOVER to do with the people of the Ukraine, its situation or its politics.

The coup was ENTIRELY the result of the geopolitical aims of sections of the US government and its friends in some parts of the EU. It was barefaced lust for geopolitical power.

Ofcourse the shootings of both the brave police and the protestors were shot by those who staged the coup. Its exactly the same tactic as Hitler and the staged Reichstag fire. And even worse, every pondlife politician who demands the animals are accepted as "legitimate government" utterly knows the fact.

They crow about "the Ukrainian people's right to choose" - yes provided its their little gimp satisfying their thirst for power.

But the truth is that those who support terrorists and Nazis are basically terrorists themselves.And should be dragged off to the Hague - whether they live in Kabul, Brussels or Washington.

SOME LINKS
Terrorist coup leaders shot civillians and cops dead. EU KNEW this:-
http://rt.com/news/ashton-maidan-snipers-estonia-946/

US supporters of terrorist Nazis claim to have the right to choose leaders in the Ukraine:-
http://rt.com/news/nuland-eu-ukraine-leak-176/

MI5 spy admits how it is:-
http://voiceofrussia.com/2014_03_04/Ukraine-was-coup-d-tat-by-the-CIA-David-Shayler-7088/

The scum that your govt is supporting if you live in the US or some of the EU:-
http://www.globalresearch.ca/there-...inistration-does-not-support-fascists/5370269

The above vermin are now given prosecutors jobs, ministerial jobs, top police jobs in the bogus new Ukrainian regime.
Power VASTLY beyond their %age of electoral support.Yet the democractically elected leader of the Ukraine runs for his life with his family, while the Nazis burn down party offices and members homes.

This is like 1930s Germany all over again. Anyone who has the stupidity to defend the coup, its backers and collaborators needs to take a serious look at themselves. They are massively insulting the 10s of millions who were slaughtered in ww2. And those who have been murdered recently in the geopolitical thirst for power by NATO's rogue factions.

Civilised countries give terrorists and Nazis jail sentences.
And the US govt with parts of the EU?
Why yes! They give them machine guns and cakes!

What goes around, will one day come around.

 

I think Russia is handling the situation adeptly . the sun
will shine tomorrow . cry me a river

 

These situations are usually about power and money, bottom line. Is this any different? I doubt it.