UPDATE: JULIAN ASSANGE Freed!

I think it is true of anybody- including you and me Tom, that a person will only see something within a given context if they willing to see it that way... the metaphorical subjection of him to a slur may well not be seen as having any parallel with Assange- who I will concede to odon, has been enjoying a bit more notoriety than may be called for- and it's more than possible that the alleged Wikileaks founder has let this go to his head to an extent.

We are all human and each one of us almost certainly has an Achilles heel in one form or another.... and we will all choose to see the same thing a bit differently. I really cannot fault odon for not wanting to gush praise on Assange lest the human being that he is, complete with flaws like the rest of us. negins to be seen as more important than the leaks themselves- which have kinda lost the focus that they had.

It's tragic that it's likely the whole business of leaking secret government and corporate secrets will become passe and lose the level of interest necessary to prompt people to actually read and comprehend what is contained in the leaks.

If this is part of what odon is trying to convey I would respectfully suggest that there are ways more likely to get people to heed what he has to say than nit picking their language and distorting what they wrote in order to fabricate justification for attacking their intelligence.

 

Of course it is stink... and thats the point...

You notice that Odon didnt do as he suggested Assange do when confronted with unfounded personal comments on his sex life?

He didn't defend himself... He didn't answer any and all questions in an open manner as he suggests Assange does...

He didn't even stick around to answer the question, as he said Assange should do...

Why is it that Odon feels it is okay to do this to Assange and ridicule him when he acts the exact same way?

 

Because no one is going to dissuade odon from believing that he is right... and while I do not doubt his ability to see a given set of circumstances any way he sees fit I am equally certain that neither you nor I will successfully induce any willingness without the necessary and time consuming digging up of posts to refute the premises on which he seems to base many of his responses... which are to posts from people expressing support for an individual he characterizes as "creepy".

I get the sense that Assange has been anticipating this whole circus all along. His demeanor is NOT that of someone who has been blindsided by all this legal mess and obstructive bullshit coming from so many directions.... effectively causing the funding for the site to dry up considerably. It suggests to me that he kind of knew what he was getting into... yet Wikileaks continued on

I am curious why this reaction bu the government and by corporations... even more curious about what else ought to be released. Assange's Wikileaks has been doing what it can to ensure that our so-called freedom of information is respected- which is a damned sight more than I can say for the government and "news" media... at least in this country. It seems that it is the government advocating more secrecy and pursuing that end by pressuring entities that have helped fund the publishing of the truth to stop the flow of revenue- to censor by means of economic and political intimidation.

What I find particularly vexing is that so many here in the US are willing to sit idly by and let that happen.

 

You mean he would want proof of the accusations we are making against him before he would be willing to discuss it? Odd... who else did I recently hear asking for the proof of the accusations against him... Oh wait, I know... It was Assange...

I agree that he likely did see it coming. It is also likely why he has been so unwilling to play that game... The reaction to being accused of something is to defend yourself, which a lot of people use to distract from issues... I would guess he realized it and made an active choice to avoid it by walking away when 'reporters' asked him about it.

The problem with secrecy is the same as the problem with lying (there is a reason they are related..) Once you start with one, you need to follow it up with others to protect the first step... People who argue that there is a reason for some secrets in government, are choosing to give all control of their lives over to them... You can't say, tell me the secret and I'll decide if it should be shared... Therefore, if you allow your governments to keep secrets from you, you are giving them free reign to decide what you should and shouldn't know about anything THEY choose... Much like North Korea does with it's people now...

As long as the slaves are given their toys and patted on the head, they are happy to be slaves...

 

Well I know it's been said in much more depth, but, to be clear and simple about it:

Julian Assange and his sexual deviancy or lack therof has NOTHING to do with the validity of his leaks or decision to make said leaks. Any belief of that is playing right into Faux news and Sarah Palin's fascist bullshit.

On an unrelated note, to me, the accusations, having been recently more detailed, seem to be two women who where dissapointed with his sexual performances, and then made rape accusations as prodded by various fascist peoples. Neither ever told him to stop, and both where totally able to. Also, one of them blamed a condom breaking on him "doing something".... Like sticking his dick in them? I blame their vagina for the broken condom. If the allegations are true he was still insensitive and dumb, and must have seen that he could potentially be causing himself problems, but it's still totally unrelated to wikileaks.

 

This argument is pretty childish.

 

That's good.

Sorry Charlie, not my game. I earn it, it's mine. If the guy in Ethiopia wants to have money, then I suppose he needs to earn it. I ain't his baby sitter and he better not try being mine.

Would be nice, though it has been recognized that the already-disabled (which I am) have difficulties with medical care. They don't get much if any. Just another form of eugenics

Would be nice. But there are those that will always be homeless because they want to be. You can't change that.

I agree.

 

Julian assange is a leftist that hates the U.S. almost as much as some Hip Forum's posters.

 

His Swedish police report got leaked to the public, and he's damn pissed about it. :smilielol5: Does anybody besides me think this is funny as hell? :rofl:

What goes around comes around, buddy.

 

Where your source for this 'information'?

 

Pissed? I don't think he made a statement about the report. And there wasen't a full report, just some tabloids posting a few scattered quotes. At least, that's all I found.

Again, why are you trying to connect this to wikileaks? This is his personal life, and if it gets leaked, so what... it got leaked... doesn't make wkikleaks any less in the right.

 

http://slatest.slate.com/id/2278692/

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/20/assange_lawyers_angry_over_leaked_police_files/


The irony is the outrage over sensitive or "secret" documents being leaked and that there may then be a prejudice on the part of the public. Welcome to the fish bowl.

That anyone who leaks documents then feels that their personal information is scared is ironic.

 

There is a difference between leaking information that people should know, and personal information.

 

Those stories say nothing about Julian being outraged or pissed, but yes, it is ironic that his lawyers would put on such an indginant face about it.

There is a difference, however this will be a club being used over and over again to justify anything Julian ever considered private....

 

Again, that depends on the fish bowl.

Was it leaked for a reason? Without doubt. To have expected that it would not be leaked would been would be very naive on his part or the part of his legal team.

That does not change that it is rather an ironic twist to then claim that privacy is an issue.

Ask those who are named by the release of any of these documents if they feel their privacy is violated and they will answer the same.

 

As politicians and people in high positions of power they are not supposed to keep secretes from us.

The difference is this is a smear campaign. Wikileaks is trying to uncover the truth for the good of everyone.

It is ironic though, and funny, but it is not right.

 

Who ever told you that those in power are not suppose to keep secrets from us?

Last I knew I was in no way qualified to make some national decisions, mind that does not mean that they are either.

My position on the whole mess is:

In principal what is being done with wilileaks needs to be done. There needs to be more transparency in power. With that though also comes a responsibility to safe guard against ramifications that could happen that are a result of information released.

That Assange may very well have done what he is accused of is a possibility and will be dealt with accordingly. That it was used to arrest him is very probable as they could not otherwise. That he is so foolish to put himself in that position is another matter. Again that will be decided in another court and he will have to answer for that.

I place not much more faith in him and his judgment about what I should know about the Wikileaks than I have faith in all the agencies who have buried these documents. I still have an issue with any one person or panel of people telling me that they are releasing what I should know. The power is then them instead of governments.

I honestly feel that he is a glorified messenger. We make hero's and idols far too easily out of humans.

I feel more empathy and compassion for the situation that Bradley Manning is in. He is the person who should be protected. He is forgotten in this whole mess.

 

What ramifications?

 

I try to live in such a way that any secrets I might have, should they become public, would not bring shame upon me. If someone talks about me behind my back, and if what they say is completely true, what they say may be positive or negative. If it's positive according to my values, there's no problem. If it's negative, I have to correct it.

The only small difference between me and a diplomat is that diplomats sometimes reach agreement in private that save lives, whereas if they had no privacy, no agreement would be reached. Example: 1962 U.S. - U.S.S.R. negotiations over missiles in Cuba.

 

Let's get back to the Collateral Murder Video. Bradley Manning released it to Wikileaks, which published it on the Internet. Thanks to PFC Manning, there are certain Marine Corps helicopter gunners who have been caught committing first degree murder.

A 'ramification' of information released is that the murderers might spent 20 to life in a Marine brig for machine gunning civiians. Don't lose any sleep over that happening, though. They (Iraqis) are Wogs, and we (mostly Americans) are Good Guys. No American military court martial will ever convict these guys of anything more serious then failing to piss on a Wog when ordered to. Wogs (current slang probably calls them something different but meaning the same) are subhuman and have no rights. None.
Well, they have a right to stop bullets, like John T. Williams who was murdered in Seattle on September 3, 2010 for Walking While Native.

Am I right or am I wrong?