US CDC urges vaccinations amid dangerous flu season

I don't mean to derail the thread but I will say that verbal assault actually does tie in to "influenza" since influence can be toxic like a disease (as in the case of verbal violence to the point of verbal war). If I had any wish, hope and prayer for the whole of Humanity, it is for all people across the entire planet realize the power of the word .. its power to cause harm and destroy, and its power to heal and improve our senses and well-being. Give back to a man his rationality and give back to a woman her self-respect. And more.

Anyway, to put the thread back on track .. vaccines. I don't get them (anymore), I don't think they're always appropriate and I think there's tons of room for people to learn more about them. I think the government is over-stepping its boundaries and doesn't have the right to mandate and force any and all vaccines.

I will say that shortly after my first born got a chicken pox vaccine, he and I both got chicken pox. And chicken is my favorite food, I eat it a lot. haha. Probably irrelevant but made me laugh so it's worth mentioning. ha.

 

I wish that were the case, but all of his bullshit hasn't caused his polling numbers to drop much at all.

 

thats fine with me, i am quite enjoying all the late night monologues that come after the next incident.

 

From webmd:
http://www.webmd.com/children/vaccines/chickenpox-varicella-vaccine

So I'm inferring from this that in principle, the chicken pox vaccine could cause someone who has a weakened immune system to get a mild case of chicken pox.

On the other hand, without the vaccine, you would almost certainly get chicken pox sooner or later.

It's also possible that you were exposed to chicken pox before the vaccine had time to take effect.

Vaccines are also not always 100% effective, though they do greatly reduce the risks that you get a disease.

 

By your reasoning, the fact that in principle any citizen in the US could sue any other citizen or corporation in the US is evidence that every person and corporation in the US is liable for having caused damage to every person in the US. That is to say, you imagine the potential to file a legal claim to be tantamount to its validity, which is a patent falsehood.

I don't think any sensible person would agree with you, so I don't think it's necessary to continue arguing about this.

 

The debate that we're having here is potentially a good example. If someone posts about how they are frightened of vaccines, another person reading this might decide not to get vaccinated.

As a result, that person might get sick. Even if they don't die (and in at least some cases, even if they are asymptomatic), they can still pass along that disease to others, possibly leading to a chain of transmission that leads to hundreds or thousands of other people getting sick or dying.

This is not a theoretical issue, as there have been outbreaks of diseases in the US that had previously been suppressed by vaccination.

Please watch this video titled "The Vaccine War" if you would like to better understand my perspective.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/vaccines/view/

I don't know for sure that calling someone crazy or stupid might cause others to discount what they say, but it is plausible that if enough people call anti-vaccinationists crazy or stupid, there would be a general trend toward discounting that view, and more people would get vaccinated.

Certainly, calling someone names is in itself a bad thing. But I'd rather hurt someone's feelings a little than risk thousands of people dying or getting sick.

If it was clear to me that there was a way to keep people safe and not call anyone any names, that would be my preference

 

I don't know, but when I start getting notices from the schools about tuberculosis outbreaks, more than 4 in two years, I wonder about the intelligence of not getting vaccinated for certain things.

Knowing that many immigrants are not vaccinated and many people who are afraid of vaccines are the primary reason mainy contagious diseases have begun to make a comeback really calls into question the logic of not getting vaccinated.

So what is wiser, risking the enormously small probability (unproven probability) of having an adverse reaction to a vaccine or or risking the much greater probability of contracting said disease if exposed to it?

I think I'll roll the dice with the vaccines, thank you very much.

 

Really? Did you discount all 135 comments? On account of those commenters being "bat shit crazy" .. according to you.

Again, I don't want to derail this thread but I'm not the one who took to slinging shit .. you did. There's no reason for you to have called people "bat shit crazy", other than social conformity. I like what this man has to say except I disagree with him, strongly, on the point of lying to the girl .. in telling her that "it gets better as you get older". She's only inquiring about "nerd" .. they all ought to turn their attention to the "bat shit crazy" vaccine thread (and ask us all to show our ID's for age verification).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04WJEEb33CY"]Wil Wheatons response to a little girl on how to deal with being called a nerd - YouTube

 

Simply stated a fact: got vaccine = got chickenpox.

I know myself. I guarantee that if I took any of the high profile vaccinations in the past 5 to 10 years that I also would have been made sick.

 

What amuses me is the argument that not getting vaccines is what is going to harm people and by not getting them you are encouraging "simpletons" not to.
I don't want to encourage it at all, but we have to thin this heard and so all the people who will these days I'm like "Good. Good for you" because it is the stupid we could do better without as well as those who wantto run to and depend on the gov for everything. Ahhh, poor pumpkin. Used to be such a human crusader but when you see 'em talk you start thinking "oh get on with it already" because it just gets wearisome hearing them talk and you realize we're supporting them too.

 

Well I will say you picked an appropriate user name.

 

Your guarantee is backed only by your speculation and imagination.

This seems to be the essence of the debate. Extensive scientific research indicates that vaccines are both safe and strongly benefit immunity.

Anti-vaccinationists base their opposition on speculation, fear, and anecdote.

 

I will bet you $100 that if you go and get vaccinated for measles right now, you will not get the measles. I'll even give you 10 to 1 odds.

 

It sucks when I'm more of a "man" than most "men" are.

Flaming flamer just got married to the ignore list. Which do you prefer, the barking "grow up!" or the condescending "smarten up!"? Rhetorical, mind you.

 

welcome to the club e7m8 :2thumbsup:

at this rate she will have the entire membership on ignore. LOL

can't imagine it will be much fun logging in and only seeing your own posts.

 

and just what the fuck did he say that warranted that response!!??


yes, you do need to grow up gina if you can't tolerate any opposing viewpoints or rational arguments.

 

well, you may not be able to see my posts now, but for what it's worth, I bear no ill will toward you and I wish only good things for you.

I'm telling you that you're wrong because I believe that you are. In some cases, there isn't really a need to take someone to task about their point of view, because it doesn't really matter.

Whether or not someone gets vaccinated does matter though. There is abundant reason to think that there will be many unnecessary deaths as a result of people not getting vaccinated.

My hope is that by arguing for vaccination here, humanity can be spared at least a little bit of suffering.

 

I'll try to address some of comments you selected in this post:

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showpost.php?p=7970800&postcount=45

Viruses mutate. Also, certain viral strains may be more prevalent one year than another. Doctors try to guess which flu strains will be prevalent during flu season. A flu vaccine is prepared from those strains.

When doctors guess correctly and people get the shots, the vaccines are very effective.

That someone who got a flu shot much later developed a musculosketetal problem does not indicate that the vaccine caused the problem. There is every reason to think that this is just another case of someone imagining a causal link between two loosely correlated phenomena.

That someone lists a bunch of scary sounding diseases after the phrase, "Adverse Reactions of Flu Shot:" does not mean that these actually are adverse reactions to the flu shot. What can be proven is that a small portion of people who are allergic to eggs can have an allergic reaction to vaccines that are prepared from eggs. To my knowledge, there is no other scientific evidence that vaccines cause any other serious health problems.

My conclusion is that the anti-vaccinations have irrational fears about vaccines.

 

<< That someone who got a flu shot much later developed a musculosketetal problem does not
indicate that the vaccine caused the problem. There is every reason to think that this is just another
case of someone imagining a causal link between two loosely correlated phenomena.>>

Not when it's a recognised effect, but have fun playing "yesterday's lawyer" there.....heh

My conclusion is that you think the all-too-common tactic of cherry picking and ignoring to try and put off your position, which has less facts in it than the anti people because you do the favor of ignoring all facts that don't support your cherry picked personal argument, fools people when it looks more like a drama performance than a serious argument. Pfft ~

 

For what it's worth, I'm allergic to E V E R Y antibiotic that I've been given over the past ten plus years. I spell out every because it is literal and exact .. not an exaggeration.

The fact is, science and medicine are NOT so exact and themselves can be deadly. When people have concerns and reservations about vaccines, maybe it is entirely warranted. If people report having been harmed by a vaccine, maybe they have been.

US CDC urges vaccinations, hmm? My advice is: study, research and then decide. And if the government is mandating and forcing vaccinations .. well, I just think of the women who've been sterilized by tetanus. ON PURPOSE.