US Ready for War with Iran - Sabres Rattling!

Discussion in 'Latest Hip News Stories' started by skip, Nov 7, 2010.

  1. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    Please show me where I specifically stated I support the Iranian government. Don't go putting words into my posts that aren't there.

    You make a very common mistake, that I see all too often on these forums.

    You equate a sympathy, nee, empathy with the people of a country as support for its government. I assure you that is a HUGE misconception, and flaw in your reasoning. The same exact flaw I see in so many conservative Americans who don't understand that support for a people does not equate for support of their government.

    Just like in the US, you can be 100% patriotic and despise your government. You can love America and it's people, yet be all for the downfall of your government. Just like conservatives who voice their displeasure at Obama. Are they being unpatriotic? Yet those who criticised the Bush gov't over its war mongering were accused of just that.

    The government is NOT THE PEOPLE, nor is it the country. Get that straight. And in America as in many other countries the governments no longer represent the people, but only the OLIGARCHY.

    So if you can't distinguish when someone supports THE PEOPLE over their government, then you should refrain from any such comments that reveal your ignorance.
     
  2. ChronicTom

    ChronicTom Banned

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    qft
     
  3. NotDeadYet

    NotDeadYet Not even close.

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    You're not listening. I give up.
     
  4. midgardsun

    midgardsun Senior Member

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    Iran is encercled by the planets mightiest militarys and doesnt have the slightest bit of a chance to defend itself, it has no nuclear weapons while those encercling Iran have loads of nuces. Its completely crazy to think that iran is a threat to them.
    Again, the USA and Israel constantly threaten to attack Iran, Iran has NOT threatened any other country.
     
  5. ChronicTom

    ChronicTom Banned

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    Although I agree with almost all of this... Iran has threatened other countries... They have made their stand quite clear that they wish to see Israel wiped off the face of the earth... This isn't propaganda... these were the words of their president... Going beyond that, they make passive aggressive threats to pretty much everyone. Keep in mind I'm speaking of the leaders, not the citizens...

    Having said that... When a little guy is being surrounded by bullies, threats are just a part of the defense....
     
  6. midgardsun

    midgardsun Senior Member

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    "Iran has threatened other countries... They have made their stand quite clear that they wish to see Israel wiped off the face of the earth..."

    Thats not true, its a false traduction!!

    http://www.antiwar.com/orig/norouzi.php?articleid=11025

    Iran has NOT threatened any other country!
     
  7. midgardsun

    midgardsun Senior Member

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    Its important to listen to a person before judging him.
    It would be a terrible mistake to have an opinion on somebody without knowing what he has in mind, so take the time once to listen befor yelling for destruction:
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0904/S00318.htm
     
  8. ChronicTom

    ChronicTom Banned

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    This is the passive aggressive bullshit I was talking about... Israel is the home of the zionist regime... to make one 'vanish from the pages of time', you must make the other vanish as part of it. This argument is such political bullshit it isn't funny...

    Do you also think that there really are no gay people in Iran? Or perhaps he didn't really say that one either?
     
  9. midgardsun

    midgardsun Senior Member

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    You are wrong, he wasnt talking about MAKING vanish. Every regime vanishes with the time.
    What about the US and Israel politicians threatening OPENLY to attack other countries?
    They are threatening with war and are ready and capable to attack and they did it before. Who is the threat here?
     
  10. ChronicTom

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    The leaders of the countries. ALL OF THEM
     
  11. midgardsun

    midgardsun Senior Member

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    There is no threat from Irans side, neither is their military a threat to any country, nor has Iran verbally threated another country with war. Iran isnt a country that starts wars.
     
  12. ChronicTom

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    Apparently you and I have a different definition of what wars are... Iran is waging many wars right now... most of them with their own people, but not all... Just because they haven't openly attacked anyone does not mean they are innocent.

    This may come down to a way we view people and countries... I don't think its right to pick out a few things that someone has in their favor and promote them, ignoring the negatives in order to argue they are 'good'... I try to look at things from an overall perspective, which is why I have no problem agreeing that Iran is being demonized by the west, while not thinking that that means Iran's leadership are good people...

    The leadership of Iran, is no more or less 'evil' or wrong, then the leadership of the US, which is no more or less evil the then leadership of Canada... They all have the exact same agenda, which is to provide for themselves.

    They are all enemies of the people... ALL people... not just the iranians or the americans or any other 'group' of them....

    You know what the absolute best part of this is? These things are all true... because WE THE PEOPLE allow it to be....
     
  13. midgardsun

    midgardsun Senior Member

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    I am sure the Iranian gvt is overall way less damaging worldwide than the mighty western countries which really are running the world towards destruction. Its not the Iranian finance system that destroys entire countries. Its not Iranians which exploit other poor counties in such a massive way as the west does.
    You cant compare the damage western civilisation has done in the world to the damage Iran has done to the world because it has not.
    Is there an Iranian infiltration to destroy the USA from the interior? No. But the USA and other countries are doing everything to mess up Iran from the interior.
    That started already when they got rid of Dr Mossadeq, by the CIA (operation Ajax).
    Did Iran overthrow the US gvt and install a dictator? No.
    The one side has killed millions of people and destroyed a long list of countries, Iran hasen`t.
    They are not "the same evil"
     
  14. ChronicTom

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    See right there... When I look at these situations, I look at the people who are being abused by their governments and see the same across the board using different labels and ideologies to support their actions... To the gay person sitting in Iran, who doesn't exist (or exists as an abonimation), the government of Iran is just as evil as a foriegn invader could be... To the native american who is sitting in jail because his culture clashed with those of their invaders, the american goverment is just as evil as any other... To the worker who is slaving away making the overlords rich, while being blamed by others of the worker class for the woes of this world, ALL governments are evil. You keep claiming that I am somehow sold on the medias presentation of the world, even though I keep quite clearly stating views that are NOT of the mainstream media... I offer you the same back... You are so consumed by your anti western media stick that you are automatically blaming everything on it and ignoring anything else... Anything viewed from one angle is wrong... NO MATTER WHAT ANGLE THAT IS.

    edited to point out that there are paragraphs and breaks in this before I hit post???
     
  15. midgardsun

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    Could you just say what damage Iran did to the world to deserve being destroyed?

    Other countries have killed millions and destroyed other countries, thats a fact.

    Can you name one region in the world where Iranian militaries are killing and bombing others? Iran doesnt do harm to any other country thats a fact.
     
  16. ChronicTom

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    Show me ONE SINGLE place where I said any of this...

    You have just proven my point about your view... Reread through what I said again before you toss any more accusations at me.
     
  17. midgardsun

    midgardsun Senior Member

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  18. ChronicTom

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    Perhaps you missed my reply.

     
  19. Dude111

    Dude111 An Awesome Dude

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    War is quite stupid and uncalled for!
     
  20. relaxxx

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    If the US goes to war with Iran they better have a better plan than they did with Iraq because Iran has 6 times as many extremists.
     

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