US soldier throws puppy off cliff in Iraq (video)

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Pressed_Rat, Mar 4, 2008.

  1. hannahannahannah

    hannahannahannah What's a Palindrome?

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    If it was diseased ridden, why did he touch it? Did he have gloves or a face mask on? (I didn't watch the film). You'd think shooting it quickly would have been more humane. Ass.
     
  2. wackyiraqi

    wackyiraqi Senior Member

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    And if that was the case, why would that be humorous? What is funny about a disease ridden puppy that is giving away your position that you have to throw off a cliff? At this point I think getting charges to stick are going to be tough. However, if enough people voice their opinion and demand action, perhaps they can still charge with Conduct Unbecoming.
     
  3. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    This isn't the first video of it's type I've seen. If they were trying to keep their position a secret I find it hard to believe they would have been standing, laughing out loud with a puppy held at shoulder height. Disease ridden, I think not. The only ones suffering any disease I see in that video are our brave warriors. You send young unstable males into a situation where they are armed and have the ability to take lives, what do you expect the outcome to be.

    It isn't just puppies they take their ability to kill out on:

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13503.htm
     
  4. shaggie

    shaggie Senior Member

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    Wonder if Fox News will cover it.

    I just watched it. You can tell his buddies enjoyed it by their sarcastic tone of voice.

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  5. acga5

    acga5 Senior Member

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    lets all have a cow one stupid dirty puppy died
     
  6. shaggie

    shaggie Senior Member

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  7. XBloodyNailPolishX

    XBloodyNailPolishX Forgetful Philosopher

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    Sick freaks.
    And as for acga5, the troll... what if someone threw you off a cliff? "Lets all have a cow one stupid dirty person died". All lives deserve to thrive and be happy. There was no point in killing the puppy. its an intelligent, living, breathing, thinking, feeling animal who suffers and feels and understands pain and emotions.
     
  8. acga5

    acga5 Senior Member

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    i forgot you were a dog in another life sorry, if you can throw me off a cliff than okay i dont care, what about the beef you ate tonight :-( did the poor little cow you ate deserve to watch other cows get murdered then have its throat slashed so you could satisfy you fat ass?well hey i eat beef, and i dont care about stupid dogs

    and dogs are not self-aware, it had no idea death was coming, all it knew was it was flying and it came instantly so it didnt suffer at all :)

    also, in what ways can a dog be happy? in that all its needs are met and its stomach is full? thats pretty much all it cares about and it doesnt try to pursue happiness in its life all it does it try to fill its stomach and make more dogs

    in what way would the dog being alive make the world a better place?(please don't say in what way would you being alive make the world a better place and answer the question)
     
  9. XBloodyNailPolishX

    XBloodyNailPolishX Forgetful Philosopher

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    I eat meat to survive. i support only humane killing of cows... very few slaughter houses torment their cows like you describe. The fact that you say you don't care about "stupid" dogs scares me... do you enjoy killing puppies too? Are you a sociopath, incapable of emotions?
    Dogs are self-aware... obviously you've never had a dog or you would know that dogs are capable of understanding situations, potentially dangerous ones as well. That poor puppy probably knew something bad was going to happen as soon as it felt that evil man touch him.
    Dogs don't try to pursue happiness? oh, then they don't enjoy playing fetch, cleaning one another, comforting their owners, playing, rough housing.
    It doesn't matter whether or not that puppy would have made a difference in the world. what matters is it was a living creature and had a right to live.
    I'm beginning to wonder why you support killing puppies so much...
     
  10. acga5

    acga5 Senior Member

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    -only chimpanzees and some great apes along with humans are self aware
    -prehaps you should read up on what it means
    -a puppy has no understanding of evil
    -fetching is just an impulse, they do not have any understanding of happiness just the desire to satisfy their basic needs
    -this is kind of funny because are basically calling me a monster for saying who cares if the puppy dies, but you said that if you were ever pregnant that you would abort the baby! you contradict yourself! the baby doesn't have the right to live but an unintelligent "puppy" does, killing a dirty puppy without it feeling any pain is cruel and evil, yet killing an unborn child is fine according to you
     
  11. XBloodyNailPolishX

    XBloodyNailPolishX Forgetful Philosopher

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    Fetching is an impulse... right. Like I said, you've obviously never had a dog...
    And yes, I would abort the FETUS if I was pregnant. i don't see how the two situations are anything alike.
    1. The puppy was ALIVE; a feeling creature that could survive on its own and wasn't harming anyone.
    It didn't need to die.
    2. If I were to become pregnant with a FETUS I would abort... why? to save my own livelyhood and quality of life. Its called survival.
    No matter what you say, what that marine did was wrong and I hope he is dishonorably discharged, imprisioned, and punished for what he did.
     
  12. Vana

    Vana Member

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    So, here is how it is

    People who support this act in ANY WAY- underevolved barbarians

    Yeah, eating meat is wrong, get over it carnivores, you don't win. Neither do us vegitarians. But the animals who suffer only to feed you do not win either. Lets start breeding people and eating them. I mean, why the hell not?

    Some of these soldiers are clearly FUCKING IDIOTS. And I'm saying some. Not just the one who did this.
     
  13. SunLion

    SunLion Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    The best punishment of all, perhaps? No official punishment at all. Just send him back to his unit. For the disgrace he brought upon the USMC, his fellow Marines will make him pay dearly, I suspect.

    I know of a case where a Marine recently killed a dog just for kicks, and took a pic of himself posing with it. Another Marine was watching, got out his camera, stabbed the guy who killed the dog, and took a photo of his fellow Marine lying there bleeding in agony next to the dog. Someone I know well is friends with the guy who did it, and he's seen the photos with his own eyes.

    Even since I ran into some US Marines at a peace gathering, I've had a real degree of respect for that institution.
     
  14. acga5

    acga5 Senior Member

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    we directly eat the animals, you take away their habitat and buldoze their families to make room for the farmland that you need to survive :)
     
  15. acga5

    acga5 Senior Member

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    -you have no idea if the dog would have survived on its own, maybe it woulda been run over by a truck in 10min and this actually prevent a longer death

    -why shouldn't it die? what purpose does it have? is it an intelligent being? it doesnt even know what it is, it can't even think past basic physical needs/reward system

    -you would be ending the life of a child because you didnt want to indure some pain-selfish?
    -and obviously you've never had kids :) so you don't really know what its like to have one
     
  16. XBloodyNailPolishX

    XBloodyNailPolishX Forgetful Philosopher

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    Oh i've seen what its like to have kids...
    when i see a mom, exhausted, dragging herself through the supermarket, with a gurgling, drooling kid on her shoulder vomiting down the back of her shirt, while another screams its freakin head off because it can't have its way.
    Very nice.
     
  17. XBloodyNailPolishX

    XBloodyNailPolishX Forgetful Philosopher

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    I think you're getting "we" and "they" very confused. "They"; the conservatives who support clear cutting, deforestation, hunting, etc. AND the war. "we"; the people trying to get by and survive while not messing with the enviroment.
     
  18. acga5

    acga5 Senior Member

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    aha you still don't understand, I guess in time you will :-/ cant force people
     
  19. XBloodyNailPolishX

    XBloodyNailPolishX Forgetful Philosopher

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    AKA you give up. Good. Go away.
    No matter what you say; what that soldier did was cruel and unneccesary. He enjoyed seeing that puppy suffer for his own amusement. he is the perfect example of an American Soldier brainless, heartless killing machine.
     
  20. Paul1968

    Paul1968 Banned

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    YOU my friend, get ignorant tool of the week honors. The military is full of, for the MOST PART idiots??? How dare you. I guess you know hundreds of course. I'm sure you think of yourself as a sensitive, non-judgemental, non-predjudiced person. But that is exactly what you are NOT. Basing an opinion of a group, on the actions of a small few makes you quite predjudiced indeed. No different than those who lable ethnic groups for the actions of a few individuals. The fact of the matter kid, is that you are able to say the things you say, without censorship, without repercussions, without fear, is because of the brave men and women who gave their lives to protect the freedoms you and I enjoy and obviously, take for granted, every single day.

    Now, as far as the alleged incident on the video (I say allegedly because reports now say it may be faked), It is truly reprehensible and horrible. However, once again this is an act made by these two or three individuals on the tape, NOT the entire 150,000 men and women over there.

    You talk a good game, but I'll tell you what. The next time you see a disabled vet missing his legs, or a soldier with his face burnt off, be sure to tell him what you think of him and his brothers and let's see how fast he knocks your teeth out. Tell it to the mothers and fathers of fallen servicemen and to the parents if Vietnam POW's who will never know if their sons are dead or even still alive in a jungle prison camp. Then kiss the ground you walk on because if not for him and others like him you'd be speaking german and be sent to a concentration camp. Ask the Jews who survived the Holocaust if they think the US Army is full of people who have no decency, ask the people of France who to this day hold parades in Normandy praising out fallen troops buried there.

    Sorry for the personal attack, but this was too over the top to ignore. I'm no fan of the Iraq war, I think we should get the heck out and let the world take care of itself and only protect our shores. But you and the rest who crap on our military couldn't hold their jocks.

    So easy to knock the military when we don't think WE will ever need them for protection. But I'm willing to bet that if we weren't so secure in our cocoon known as the USA and we were vulnerable to ground invasion, you'd be curled into a fetal position praying for their help.
     

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