Vaccinations.

Do me a favor and register for this one.

http://jnnp.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/75/11/1552

1916 polio epidemic in the United States killed 6,000 people and paralyzed 27,000 more. In the early 1950’s there were more than 20,000 cases of polio each year. Polio vaccination was begun in 1955. By 1960 the number of cases had dropped to about 3,000, and by 1979 there were only about 10. The success of polio vaccination in the U.S. and other countries sparked a world-wide effort to eliminate polio.

It appears that perhaps the graph, starting at the peak of the polio endemic, when comparing when the polio vaccinations started in the US with case rates in Australia isn't an accurate graph.

I'm starting to suspect the author of Vaccination: A Parents Dilemma may have fudged a graph. And my proof?

The information I just freaking posted.

 

look at how jagged the graph is, he just took the best months numbers to fit the trend he wanted from each year, and used them

he didn't lie, per se, he just

used the numbers that worked for him

and used a small enough number of years

and a small enough number of cases on the graph

that it wasn't really "lying"


edit: btw, most popular thread in days, I feel a bit proud that RT pulled that off, something that is actually intellectually engaging, a decent thread, AND popular.

haha, kiss our asses stoner's lounge!

 

Another graph:

 

" Following the widespread use of poliovirus vaccine in the mid-1950s, the incidence of poliomyelitis declined dramatically in many industrialized countries. A global effort to eradicate polio began in 1988, led by the World Health Organization, UNICEF, and The Rotary Foundation.[68] These efforts have reduced the number of annual diagnosed cases by 99%; from an estimated 350,000 cases in 1988 to 1,310 cases in 2007.[69][70] Should eradication be successful it will represent only the second time mankind has ever completely eliminated a disease. The first such disease was smallpox, which was officially eradicated in 1979.[71] A number of eradication milestones have already been reached, and several regions of the world have been certified polio-free. The Americas were declared polio-free in 1994.[72] In 2000 polio was officially eradicated in 36 Western Pacific countries, including China and Australia.[73][74] Europe was declared polio-free in 2002.[75] As of 2006, polio remains endemic in only four countries: Nigeria, India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan.[69]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio#Eradication

you will find the history right below it. now, unless they killed everybody will polio, it was the vac.

 

also, far too simple to make the case for the dramatically changing lifestyle of all industrialized nations during the 20th century

and the graph, though based on data compiled by a statistician (who I can't find good info on) was from a book written by someone who clearly has an agenda on the matter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Z._Miller

 

That's a death rate isn't it, not a number of cases.

Of course with the rapidly increasing health care of the mid century, the number of people who die from a disease will be much lower than in places with poor health care.

Keep in mind the number of cases between the 20's and 50's grew dramatically. If that doesn't conflict with whatever point you're trying to make.

 

Look at the people who died in WW 2.

Look at the people who died in "iraqi freedom"

on a per capita basis (per capita basis is super important) if you take every injury, there are more survivors, of iraqi freedom


Polio was a crippling disease in "industrialized" nations when salk came around

hence FDR

it did kill, but, that doesn't matter, because you are presenting incomplete data-sets

if you got polio today, odds on you would come out of it crippled, I'm glad for the vaccine, as cool as it would be to play wheelchair rugby, I like being able to drive a stick without it being an enormous hassle.

 

Heres a graph of global cases of polio after the WHO started enhanced erradication efforts by immunization in 1998. Data compiled by the center for disease control, not some guys book.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5540a3.htm

 

Many of you obviously do not have a child that reacted to an immunization. Walk a day in a parent's footsteps...

 

What happened?

In any case, rare but serious side effects shouldn't effect how medicine is prescribed to large segments of society.

Sorry if your kid got sick.

 

i didnt read this, but i am definitely pro-vaccinations. i know that the "studies" that linked vaccines with autism a while back were proven to be bullshit

 

It's long, but if anyone can win an online debate...

The pro vaccination side just crushed. It was epic.

 

My son was affected by an immunization. I now regret vaccinating my children. I would be willing to take any consequence to rewind the clock even if that includes having to school my children at home.

I do not think a person should be punished for choosing not to have something put into them. I'm afraid my family is part of what is claimed to be that small percentage affected. Not worth it!

The specifics of my sons case? His skull was slightly misformed and this caused an issue with blood supply to an area of the blood from which random speech is originated (the Broca's Area). After my son was immunized, he reacted as most children do to immunizations and had a fever. (Btw, my son was vaccinated for Hep B the day he was born... why? Hospital policy.) During another vaccination he had a lump develop under his skin which stayed there for approx three months (again... one of the small percentages). I digress.

Anyway, his brain swelled a bit and blocked off the Broca's area even more. This delayed my son's speech until I took action with cranial manipulation. (Son displayed signs of delayed language as early as 5 or 6 months). Trust that I am so grateful that I can share a positive light on this as many parents cannot and their children suffer for a lifetime.

Our case is not proof of anything, I realize that. But I know my son and I know what we have been through. There are many parents living a variation of what I have described. I just wanted to share the other side to the story.

For what it's worth, I can send my children to school in the province I live in and I'm grateful that I can.

 

okay, I live in terror of rusty nails because a tetanus vaccine could fuck me up BAD. I know that

I am STILL pro vaccination, I REACTED badly to vaccines.

Still, incidental against the masses that are statistical data.

 

I'm not sure I can debate you without coming off uncouth. I disagree with you on some specifics.

But it doesn't really matter. I'm glad your son is okay.

 

awe. bad boy has a heart.

 

Thank you. It's a long journey and we're still working at it. He's come a long way but is still not caught up. He is has been enrolled in a variety of programs to help improve his language (he also suffers from anxiety, but even that seems to have waned in the past month or so).

As I said... there is no proof. Only evidence of everything we tried and what finally helped him. The same doctor has had success with children a few children on the autism spectrum using a variety of methods.

I wouldn't be able to debate this (although I do enjoy a good debate) because it is way to close to home. I have no dobut there are a million other things that it could be or could have accounted for whatever. But you are right, the bottom line is that my son is much healthier/happier now.

 

i have always got my immunization but i have passed the last ones. i hope i don`t get sick or something without them. the air is so dirty you should be careful not to breath to much these days

 

Im not vaccinated against much. I think I had polio and diptheria vaccines as a baby. And meningitis C when I was 12. Otheriwse, nah. I hope people steer away from me in horror

The rest of my family are all vaccinated against measles. They got measles last year, pretty badly