Viva the revolution!

All laws are restricting personal freedoms. Everyone has a freedom to kill someone, but thats restricted.

 

did you read the link. its exactly how it went down n people either dont know about it or STILL think its about ravers. hell no.

 

Dance, Music and Entertainment

The War on Drugs has often been used to suppress music and lifestyles disliked by the political establishment. Local, state, and federal drug laws give the government enormous power and this power has been used to exert control over emerging subcultures. Jazz in the 1940s. Rock and roll in the 1960s. Heavy metal and rap in the 1980s. Electronic music and Hip Hop today.
The RAVE Act which threatens to squash live music and free speech was passed in 2003 when it was tacked onto an unrelated child protection bill. In 2004 there were two additional pieces of legislation considered - the CLEAN-UP Act and the Ecstasy Awareness Act - that threatened to widen the laws to prosecute anyone who holds an event and fails to prevent illicit drug use.
Senator Joe Biden (D-DE) forced the controversial legislation commonly known as the "RAVE" Act through both houses of Congress as an attachment to an unrelated child abduction bill. The "RAVE" Act, also referred to as the Illicit Drug Anti-Proliferation Act of 2003, was introduced as an addition to the Child Abduction Protect Act of 2003, widely recognized as the AMBER Alert bill (S151). The "RAVE" Act had not passed a single committee before being attached to the AMBER Alert bill. In addition, it was so controversial when it was introduced during the 107th Congress that two Senators withdrew their sponsorship.
The "RAVE" Act makes it easier for the federal government to prosecute innocent business owners for the drug offenses of their customers - even if they take steps to stop such activity. This is a threat to free speech and musical expression while placing at risk any hotel/motel owner, concert promoter, event organizer, nightclub owner or arena/stadium owner for the drug violations of third parties - real or alleged - regardless of whether or not the promoter and/or property owner made a good-faith effort to keep their event drug-free. It applies not only to electronic music parties, but any type of public gathering: theatrical productions, rock concerts, DJ nights at your local club or tavern, and political rallies. Moreover, it gives heightened powers and discretion to prosecutors who may use it to target events they personally don’t like, such as Hip-Hop events and gay and lesbian fundraisers.
The "RAVE" Act was passed despite the fact it did not have a public hearing, debate or vote in Congress. It is important to note that because of overwhelming opposition to the "RAVE" Act, legislators were forced to remove some of the most egregious language before it passed. For example, the word "rave" was removed from the version of the bill attached to the AMBER Alert. Eliminating such blatant discrimination is a victory for our continued freedom of speech. Also, the original bill suggested that prosecutors should view the sale of water and the presence of glowsticks or massage oil as evidence of drug use. These ludicrous "findings" were completely removed due in large part to activists who sent nearly 30,000 faxes in 2003 alone to their Senators urging them not to support the dangerous legislation.
When it was first introduced there was widespread belief that the "RAVE" Act would move through the legislative channels quickly with no revision. Instead, it took 10 months, a change of power in the United States Senate, backroom policymaking, and substantial changes to the bill before it was passed - and even then it did not pass via "normal" legislative procedures.
The "RAVE" Act gives the government even more power to harass and arrest innocent musicians, promoters, venue owners, and fans - all in the name of the War on Drugs. Law enforcement agencies already target certain types of musical and cultural events and the nightclubs that host them. The Drug Enforcement Administration is prosecuting nightclub owners and promoters that organize electronic dance music events and the military is using drugs as a pretext to close down gay nightclubs. In Michigan in March 2005, a nightclub was raided with some attendees reportedly being strip-searched and over 100 people being ticketed and slapped with a misdemeanor charge, just for being in proximity to people using drugs. A similar incident happened in 2002 in Wisconsin. In addition, drug laws are often enforced unevenly against African Americans and Latinos. Hip-Hop could easily become a target.
Opposition to the "RAVE" Act remains strong - over 3,000 of you spoke out after the arrests in Michigan. In July 2005 the Alliance submitted a Freedom of Information Act request to the Department of Justice for information on how the RAVE Act is being used, in order to determine whether it is being abused by prosecutors. The Drug Policy Alliance and its coalition of partners will continue to work to protect property owners, prevent further criminalization of dance and music events, mobilize opposition, and advocate amending this dangerous law.
Donate to Drug Policy Alliance's fight to help overturn this bad legislation.
Learn more about what you can do to help fight the RAVE Act.

 

that this ACT that was sneaked in entailed is too deep for people to get. they was hella scared n that bill can be applied everywhere n the way they did it..pathetic. decietful. fuck them. seriously. fuck them. and most people will never get what it entails.

 

Killing is a diff. game.

I can get hella mad but I have no right to kill someone. Just read the article and how it came to be. Please and don't compare murder to human rights violations.

 

THAT was a huge violation. Before the patriot act.
People allowed it though.

 

Some of the drug laws in Canada haven't been reviewed for 50 years. Such as the one that I was charged with, the judge that I came before in the pre-trail was aware of this and withdrew the charges.

That article sited two occasions where that law was used, are there any other occurances? It can be a 'band aid' law, where enough people complained about a issue, i.e. raving and a law was put in place, it will be used a few times and forgotten about.

 

But on the other side of that, why don't I have the right to kill someone for crossing me? I have the right to protect myself, yet if I use 'exsessive force' (which in my opinion is hard to judge when you find yourself is a negitive situation, i.e. life or death) I will go to jail for life.

My grandmother's neighbor went to jail for shooting someone in the head when he broke into his home and was holding a knife to his childs throat. Sending him to jail was a violation of his right I think.

 

yo i getcha.

but more people dont know shit about the rave act and what it entails and why i care. the truth is.. im a hiphop head who used to go to raves n personally doesnt like them.. just ill still defend them to death for doin their thing... ya know? its about RIGHTS. and the rave act was the start n most people dont even KNOW ABOUT IT.

fucked up.

 

and you have every right to defend yourself. if anyone used force on me, id kill them.

i could go to jail but you have every RIGHT to defend.

 

So the point of this thread is that the government should be overthrown because of the rave act?

I'm not willing to risk the bloodshed for that one.

He wouldn't have even gotten investigated in Texas. He would have been called a hero in the paper and been done with it.

 

One of the most interesting conversations I've had in a while.

 

The point is... human beings... have every right to over thrown an oppressive gov.

the rave act sure as hell not WHY.... although its more deep then most will ever get cause how it could be applied...another way to strip freedoms..i could give other examples too.

 

You have a right to fight back. Fuck if someone was trying to rape me, I'd kill em. Same thing really n I don't care if I appear insane. You can't see all rights being taken away n sit back complacent.

 

Please give 5 other examples.

I could easily give ten and I don't support overthrowing the government, so this should be easy.

 

why dont you support overthrowing the gov?


when they rape ppl daily.. why the fuck not...? i see it more as a RESPONSIBILY then anything else.

i aient given more examples til i can articulate them well... however the patriot act is the one that everyone knows. there are lots more.

 

So you can't articulate why you support a revolution which will kill many many people?

Then no. My reason is the US has many flaws, but is still one of the best countries in the world, and the 'revolutionaries' that are here can't articulate why a revolution is worth the tremendous cost of life and tightening up of freedoms that would happen when it failed.

Those are just fired off.

You say you want a revolution, but you're just a slave to me.

 

I think this has a lot to do with what the feds did at the gathering too.

In fact, I KNOW it did.

 

Respect.

Maybe "we" see it as SAVING lifes though n taking them.

its hard to gather but i think not fighting for freedom WILL create more deaths.

 

I mean would you listen to a revolutionary that couldn't give you 5 reasons for it?

I didn't even ask for 5 good reasons. I'll even give you the rave act and the patriot act. Just three more.