War With Syria

In a nutshell.All or any war is BAD.

 

The British parliament has just voted against any military intervention in Syria.The US is currently looking around for other allies to stage an attack.Both sides in this conflict have committed war crimes.The fight between the rebels and the Assad regime started because of peaceful protest by the civilian population against the regime,which was quickly quashed by the military with ever increasing severity.The question as to whether or not the west should go in is more complicated than just saying "war" is bad and we wish it would all just go away.The lives of innocent women and children are at stake here.However the motive for the US's military campaigns in the Middle East always needs to be questioned,as does Russia's support of the Assad regime,considering that they have multi-billion arms trade with them.

 

Lives of women and children have been at stake since before the roman conquests. Don't be fooled by pleas of people with an agenda from both sides.

 

Good thing the world isn't a nutshell, huh? War isn't good or bad; it is just war.

 

Let me rephrase here. Sunfighter is what prompted me to write the original post about anti-gun liberals. That is why I said it was directed toward him.

I can't help if you took offense to it, and yes I would still consider you an anti-gun liberal since you want the gov't to step in and save us all from big black scary assault rifles.

You are what I would call a statist. And it has nothing to do with neat little boxes, that is opinion based on previous posts of yours. Feel free to formulate opinions of me, oh wait I see you already have.

 

Yup, liberals really scare me when it comes to their ideas of what is acceptable when it comes to authority and government power. This is more the ideological liberal types, many of which align themselves with a fake "hippy" ideology, and not so much your working class Democrat who believes the aforementioned party supports the "little guy."

 

I've made my arguments if you back up and read. Also pissed off a few of your liberal friends.

So BM, how about you enlighten us with your all knowing mind about your opinion on war with Syria?

 

Your argument being 'bomb the fuck out of those fucking Muslims over at the Middle Earth'?

 

He is incapable. It is so much easier to just sit back and not have to come up with shit.

 

this thread has really taken off since I last posted. I skipped a few pages but I just had to respond to a couple of things

This is really unfair. PTSD isn't a crutch and I don't know how you could call it that if you've never served. My ex boyfriend joined the army reserves the day after 9/11, served a year in Iraq, and came back with PTSD. He didn't let it effect his day to day life, he never used it as a crutch, but I was the one that slept with him at night so I was probably the only person to really see that side of him. He didn't really get any benefits either. I think he had like a week of therapy upon returning. That was it. I don't really see how you can even bring up soldiers taking advantage of benefits when there is so much controversy now over soldiers not receiving benefits they should be entitled to. You fight for your country, you deserve benefits, period.

Deviate clearly said earlier in this thread that he didn't support American involvement in Syria.

Are you so hell bent on believing the American stereotype you have built up in your head that you completely ignore when Americans state they are against middle eastern involvement?

weird.

 

Both good points. ^^^

 

I disagree. War IS bad. Simple as that.

 

Why do you lot across the pond, always refer to us as Europeans ? Yes, the UK IS in Europe but what about the other countries ? The French differ from the Germans who differ from the Spainards who differ from etc. Its a bloody continent not a country.

 

Yes, the evidence has to be closely scrutinized, internationally.

If Syria has used gas and nothing is done, then the international law against using chemical weapons will be seen as worthless and irrelevant, and more countries will use gas in the future. Without a doubt, that would make the world a worse place to live in.

On the other hand, if we were to send in ground troops and support one faction over another, that would surely not end well. We can't go that far.

We need to find an international consensus as to how strong of an action needs to be taken, to prevent anyone from getting the idea that chemical weapons are no big deal anymore. The UN Security Council isn't going to get anything past a Russian veto, so maybe NATO and/or the Arab League will step up.

 

Excellent post. Nuff said.

 

In any case.... raise your hand if you're for war in Syria.
I am not.
As I stated in the original post.

I think most people posting in this thread are not....sooo... the issue is...what?

 

Not generalizations but stereotypes. We need to learn to generalize, which is to include ourselves as equal to any actions or outcomes that may occur. That is we don't project power by bombing things over there. We are projecting the weakness of our conceptions and they weaken the fabric of our sane relations..

 

Yeah...
Okay.
I'm just saying the united states government doesn't speak for me on freaking anything.
I don't even consider myself an "American" although I am.... I'm just here on this earth. (visiting from Mars, apparently).. so whatever.

 

The people that are for war have demonstrated the reason and it is scar tissue in the mind.

A horrible recollection that they feel they can prevent from ever occurring again by visiting horrible things upon their memories.

However

It is not syria'a past that they see but their own and obviously no one sees syria's future or even really cares about it because they think it is different from their own.