We love each other

Is it really human nature? Or is it something else? In wars, soldiers usually run away and they are called cowards. Soldiers are trained to react rather than think for a reason. Soldiers develop mental illnesses after wars because it is unnatural to kill, otherwise those symptoms wouldn't appear. People have conscience and it is repressed by various means. Either by turning people into enemies, in which case turns them into something other than human, and it is easier to kill subhumans than humans.

I personally think that it is naive to think that it is 'human nature', as you call it, to believe that people are born to kill and to murder, but the fact is, everyone is born without a thought in their heads. It is their environment and social condition, boredom. Is any of this untrue?


The golden age that never was? Do you not notice things are changing world wide? I go to stores and I notice store owners giving things away. You ask them "sorry, i don't have it" and they say "ah, np, take it".

 

We can all be crazy together!

As for people suffering, yes, many people are suffering which is more the more important that people start expressing love to each other without gagging and throwing up all over each other.

I do my best to give if I had more, I'd give more. I have given a lot of money to my sister and if I had more money I would donate it.

Ya, these forums can be interpreted as butt kissing, but how do you know it isn't more than that? Why is showing love considered ass kissing? I always found that a bit odd.

I asked everyone, if they wanted to, to express to each other love, not to butt kiss. You have every right to not take people online seriously, but you can if you want to, or am I wrong?

If you want to, you can express everything you want to. Go ahead. It's ok

 

All of this is true. None of us know if you were kissing ass or legitimately expressing your feelings. I could care less, either way. I feel a certain amount of love for most people, but it's usually a given, based on the amount of respect I show a person. Love doesn't HAVE to be expressed literally and it has a bigger impact when you show someone respect and loyalty, as opposed to saying/typing a bunch of words that can be so easily misinterpreted as "ass-kissing". lol

That's not to say you were kissing anyone's ass, because I don't know what your intentions were. I've gotten some entertainment from this thread though, so thanks

 

not to get real deep, but wars, murder and everything bad or good displayed in humans is because it's our nature. there have always been wars, love, greed, trust etc...if it wasn't our nature we wouldn't display it.

there are also ideals. like the ones you hold. but that doesn't reinvent your total 'nature'.

if i held my mothers hand, and she held her mothers hand, and she held her mothers hand...and so forth, the line created would extend 300 miles. back to a single common ancestor to us all. yes we are all connected.

every single one of our ancestors had what it took to pass on their genes to the next. you were born with what it takes to live and be human. written in your DNA is the expression of all emotions and actions. behaviors and ideals. they all serve a evolutionary purpose. reality. and how to overcome this reality.

nothing is wrong or right in the long run. the only legacy we leave behind is our DNA, baby.

 

I like your style, and you're welcome. What you tell me makes sense.

The beautiful thing about love is that you don't have to force it. It just comes to you once you know who you are. Alan Watts once said, "There is a conspiracy against knowing who you are" And he was absolutely right. What do you think the matrix is? It isn't just flashy entertainment. The allegory of the cave isn't just mind masturbation. These people are trying to express something, and they are trying their best to help. It is only when people ASSUME that the person is lying that they are unable to appreciate the message. They are just projecting their own feelings about the world, and that makes them cynical. Unfortunately, no one can be shown what the matrix is, but I know that most people feel that life is a lie. That isn't just your depression setting in, that's you just knowing that something is wrong, and that's normal and that makes you sane. Exploring that is important.

People have a way of showing their issues to others. That is what psychology is all about. They express who they are by expressing how they see the world. It is God's way of getting your friends to spot the problems so that we can figure out how to better help each other. Exactly what about this is untrue? Am I not sounding knowledgeable, logical, rational? If not, why?

I am glad that you feel love for people.

 

I love cheese..

cheddar
swiss
and melted

I can see your in a good mood..awesome..

these are the greek words for love

agape
Eros
Philia
Storge
Thelema

all are different kinds of love

 

I agree that we all express our DNA in some way, but there is nothing in our DNA that says we have to kill. And if there is, it definitely isn't inevitable. What is important to understand is that there is no such thing as the past or the future, yet people feel destined by both of them. The greatest lie that we can ever absorb is the one where our lives are destined by genetics, social forces or what not. They certainly do affect you, but they don't necessarily control you. If you live in the now, you will be able to see that, and I don't mean that as any offense to you. Our ego's are false images of ourselves and we attach ourselves to these images. I am sure we all feel like we are wearing a mask that we would all just love to rip off and display our true selves, but we don't because of the fear. That's why people were responding with so much hostility towards what I was saying. That wasn't them talking, that was their ego's and their egos are fake. But they themselves are very real, and everyone has an ending film to fulfill.

The best thing is that you can't force yourself to be giving, loving, et al, but it is absolutely necessary that we be this way. It's either that or just digging up dirt and rolling ourselves inside a grave and wait for ourselves to die. How is that useful? Love is something that must ensue by not thinking about it. It comes as a natural occurance when you remove your ego. The problem is that people say, "I am doing my best to love you" but what it really should be is, "I can't help but to love you" Love is without force. That's the beauty of it

One thing that needs to be understood is that wars are created when people create a phony issue and then escalate it to extremes. They create artificial problems. And what is war other than one man killing another? I never understood the whole, "fight for your country" mumbo jumbo. In the end, it's just me, you, and the next guy in close proximity and a couple of twisted individuals to tell those people that war is inevitable and for those people to believe that it is inevitable and fight.

Also, what is different today than it was in the ancient times? Are they same or are they different? Could you, say, take over the world in the 1890's? How can you take over the world with horse and carriage?

People have a natural tendecy to come together in peace. This is only interupted when other nations swarm in and take that away by a) taking people power away. And you take people's power away by taking away their knowledge and their food. How can you survive and fight back if you are dumb and hungry?

 

I see the symbolism in the Matrix, but it may be a different sort of symbolism than you see. When I see the Matrix, I see an analogy regarding government and society. To me, the Matrix represents the fact that the government tries to control people and conform reality in the way that they see fit, and those who have been "freed" are the anarchists, living for today and not following rules.

As far as "God" goes.....I'm not so sure if "God" exists. I was thinking about cloning the other day when I was stoned. There was a story on the news about a guy who had his dog cloned, and he said the clone had the same personality as the original dog, which leads me to believe that souls are nonexistant, because souls can't be duplicated, but the clone still had the same personality as the original dog. Think about it......souls can't be duplicated, so there's no way a cloned dog can have the same personality as the original dog if souls exist, since souls can't be duplicated and souls are supposedly where a person's personality lies. If souls don't exist, then Christianity/religion is bullshit and "God" is a figment.

I know much of this post has nothing to do with the thread, but it pertains to your post that I quoted. lol

 

Mmmm, cheese

Love is definitely on a spectrum.

I agree with your statement that the matrix is the government and society. What are both of these other than a virus on the earth?

I don't think you need to call them anarchists, however, but that's the beauty of it. We don't have to call ourselves absolutely anything. All we have to do is be us, and everything will start to come together from that. Hate and crimes start when people feel attached to their ego's. If I answer someone a question and they don't like they answer, they will go tight and feel offended. But why feel offended? They are only words, listen to them as noise and don't attach yourself to this noise. You are not this noise.

Maybe the scientists are merely duplicating the soul? Do twins live the same internal lives?

I would like you to challenge me on God. Why is it that those that truly believe in God and follow his rules, from the bible, not the churches, do they start living good and healthy lives? Is that just a coincidence?

If there is a conspiracy against knowing God, how would you know? And if there is, wouldn't you want to know? What if it is true? How do you know God doesn't exist? What do you think black holes are other than God's 'finger'?

Btw, we don't have to do this here, we can create another thread to discuss God.

For now, I'd really like it if people could express themselves to each other. Why wouldn't you want to express your love? What's holding you back? An insult? Believing it doesn't exist? What? Sigh

 

No, twins don't have the same souls or pesonalities and there is no way scientists can duplicate a soul. Brains and brain waves may be duplicated, but if christianity is real, then cloned beings would be soulless and probably emotionless. On the contrary, clones have real feelings and personalities, proving the absence of souls. Souls can't be duplicated, but it's a fact that cloned beings have the same personalities and the same feelings as the originals. This fact has put more doubt in my head than anything else has, regarding christianity/religion.

On the other hand, nobody knows, for certain, whether or not there is a "God" until they die.

 

How do you know that you can't know God while alive? What do you think the Eye symbol in Egyptian symbolism represents? It is the ever watching eye of God. Have you ever read the Bible and seen whether or not it was true?

I dunno how the soul works exactly. But again, do twins share the same spiritual lives? Or are they different? They make have the same type of smile, choose the same toothpaste, like the same foods, but do they have the same relationships and do they share the same dreams? One twin can live an unhealthy life while another doesn't.

But the thing is, ideas don't exist, they are fabrication, all that is, is now. You, me, standing in the sunlight and experiencing. Thoughts come after that, but thoughts aren't reality.

 

People can THINK that they know God exists, but NOBODY has any proof, until they die. Are you talking about the eye on top of the pyramid, as portrayed on the back of the $1 bill? If so, that's the Luciferian eye. It's supposed to be Lucifer's eye, so I'm not sure what you're getting at. lol The bible isn't necessarily accurate. Muslims KNOW the Qur'an is accurate, while Christians KNOW the bible is accurate, so who's to say which literature is right or wrong? Maybe they're both wrong. Even if God exists, there is NO WAY that the bible hasn't been lost in translation throughout the years. I personally think it's just a book that teaches people about morals and has nothing to do with religion.

No, this conversation has nothing to do with twins. Twins aren't clones. I'm saying that there is no way for there to be two copies of the same soul. If souls exist, then cloning would consist of nothing but psysical cloning, and clones would be soulless and emotionless with no feelings or expression.

 

there is no god. and that's a reality nobody likes to hear. im sorry, but that's the truth.

i think it's even more thrilling that we are equals to every other living thing. we are not special. we are all insignificant.

every single species has a common ancestor. some develop wild adaptations to fly, to swim, to morph colors...we evolved a wild adaptation to think. we are great thinkers.

why is this so hard for people to understand? i mean really.


wut, wut.

 

You're right. Beings evolve according to their environment/surroundings. We are all blessed with the tools we need to survive, and survival is the only true necessity.

 

Love=God

 

yes. that's what im talking about. :cheers2:

survival is true necessity. necessity is an acting pressure on evolution. it selects traits that are more fit. as ben franklin said, 'necessity is the mother of all inventions'

need food? invent ways to get it. need a mate? invent behaviors to secure one.

in our case, a vast display of emotional behaviors.

like the behavior exhibited by def zeppelin...a good contrast to def zepp. would be that of Adolf Hitler.

 

you trying to ruin my dreams of breathing fire underwater?

 

How do you know the Bible isn't accurate? Muslims do feel as though they do 'know' the Quran is accurate, and same goes for Christians. But there are doctrinal christians and there are those that go by what the Bible says. What exactly do you disagree with, with the Bible? Who wrote the Bible? They were people, yes, but how do we know those people weren't God? Kings and wanderer's wrote the Bible. Who were they really? How is it that the same overall message is presented in the Bible, is that just a coincidence?

Let me ask you something. What do you say was the overall message of Jesus? I personally thing his overall message was hope and change, although he didn't exactly outright say that, and if he did, didn't make it the focus of his message.

Who do you think Obama is? What was his message during the campaign? Change and hope, right? What did the Bible say the anti-christ would do in the end days? He would express hope and change, but say it outright, rather than giving substance to what he says. He would pretend to be change. But is there change? They always say that Obama is so HIP. But what does being hip got to doing with being a good leader?

Obama promised change and all that he did was reposition the troops around. No one knew where he came from and what political ideology he would hold until AFTER he was elected. Is this true or untrue what I have said? Has the weather changed? Has there been floods? Yes or no.



Sorry if I come off as preachy, but people never express what needs to be expressed out of fear. If you want to listen, cool, if not, you can always not listen.

 

no i want to encourage that adaptation. let's start by you coming over to swim at my place. ill hold you underwater until that happens.

 

geez deff. zeppelin, you are so cliché and naive.

your off in lalala land. in a different stratosphere. the heights of insight. take flight this evolving kite. willy wonka's golden ticket chocolate bite. why can't you understand for a slight. second, the human condition from the narrows of your soap box. identify ideas swap. return later to finish the clean up mop.