Weekend blow in

How do you know you have "known God" ?
Seriously check out Michael Persinger's research. A lot of the folks who donned his helmet had profound experiences with "God", all induced my some magnets and electrical currents.
It really does call into question the validity of some experiences. Made me rethink a lot of what I assumed I knew.
I also strongly feel that the same mechanisms are at work in drug induced mystical experiences.

 

ok then so say that a mystical experience was induced by artificial means. does that make the experience any less valid? it was still a mystical experience, no? you wouldn't have been able to accumulate the physical needs to induce the experience if the mystical experience was not meant to happen. these things occur at an extreme synchonization of mind, body, and spirit. it would only make sense that there would be a reflection in the body and physical world.

 

You want some specifics do ya....

3 spontaneous states of what has been termed "Cosmic Consiousness".
First when I was 7 sitting in a cherry tree in my yard I was overcome by a deep sense of the presence of another, god maybe and everthing was transformed to where I was aware of the life energy in everthing around me. When I looked at the ants I "knew" all about them and sensed what they did. The trees had auras, actually everything alive I looked at was shining with an inner light. Hard to put into words. Think of the state of total ego dissolution and merging with "all" in a psychedelic experience, thats what it was like, but with a much more "real" and clear character to it. This also occured again when I was 17 and when I was outside the hospital waiting for my second daughter to be born who was 10 weeks early. That time I was flooded with a reassurance that all would be ok with her.

I used to meditate reguarly and was to the point of percieving auras all the time and very strong psychic intuition, knowing who was at the door, sensing dangerous situations/people prior to encountering them, the usual fair in that area.

I have also had "visitations" from spiritual entities, no communication, it was more as though I was being "checked in on".

The most profound and world rocking, reality shifting experience was what is termed "Being baptized/filled with the holy spirit" and many subsequent events following that.
If you like I will eleborate on that.

All my life any major event, person, job, whatever has always been "known" to me beforehand. It's as though I am acting out the script that I have memorized. Deja Vu' to tenth degree.

I am able to very easily slip into altered states that are very akin to psychedelic states or religious ecstatic states. It's almost as if the boundry lines seperating the different states are very "flexible" for me.

All the above are without the benefit of any drug or substance, those drug induced experiences are pretty much the same as most people have, so in my mind not really outstandingly noteworthy.

Oh yeah, watching the birth of each of my children was a profoundly spiritually changing experience, one I hope you have the good fortune to experience one day. Probably the some of the highest in my life.

Whether or not you have or haven't experienced the same or similar I don't know. I don't want denigrate or devalue your personall experiences, just understand that my current world view comes from many years and many varied experiences, some of which are very much "on the fringe" so to speak.

 

I agree completely, it just puts it into a different light don't you agree?

 

Fuck pigs they can all suck my dick.

 

:lurk5:

 

yea i've had similar experiences. the one thing i have found though is that these experiences are almost extremely independant from most factors. it's really more of a matter of person, not where they are in life. it seems wrong to discredit someone without knowing all the facts. one shouldn't be so keen to deal out death and judgement, because even the very wise cannot see all ends.

yes i guess, but it still seems like just another way to achieve mystical experiences. this thing hasn't been around for long and if it is someone's karma to experience that then they will obviously have been born in this era, and be afforded the correct opportunities leading up to this god helmet -- in a similar way to your mystical experiences.

 

Hey this topic seems to have gone a little off topic and i didn;t wanna make a new thread for this so can someone tell me how they would resond to this:

"A: Lsd allowed me to see my soul, to simply exist, no thoughts etc.

B: Nah, that was just the drug messing with your head, you hallucinated that..."

Not sure how one would reply and am interested to see what you guys say?

 

if you believe in what you saw, then i don't see why it wouldn't be valid. don't allow other people to tell you what you believe. know for yourself. if you take the experience to heart, then it matters.

 

dejavu is just the misfiring of your brain. simple explaination. usualy the simplest explaination is the most real.

what happens in ur reality depends on what u beleive.

my sister beleives in ghosts, and she regularly hass stupid expeiences where she thinks ghost were there , or did this, or did that.

i think its bullshit, and thus, personally i have never had an experience invloving ghosts.

so simply no matter what u beleive, if u are strong and powerfull enough, u will beleive that it is very well possible that what u beleive isnt true.
thats whats called being open. or openminded or whatever.

"just cause you beleive somthign 100% doesnt make that thing real"

 

i could easily say B. in the beggining it was A, but u soon come to realise its all just a trip. u cant let lsd take over. thats when u start talking weird shit to people, and people start thinkin youve lost it.
and looking at it from 'back in reality' , you have.

 

That is the most intelligent thing I have seen you say.
You do realize that applies to your beliefs as well don't you.
Just because you don't believe in ghosts doesn't mean they don't exist, for example.

 

exactly

science based fact is to hard to ignore... seriously
i love science.

 

and yet scientists often disagree, even in the same field. what if no one ever believed anything that wasn't proved by science? then scientific progress would come to a halt. appeals to science can be just as dogmatic as appeals to intangible personal experience.


Mysticism isn't any more of a trip than sober, concrete, collectively agreed upon reality. the only difference is majority rule.

 

What is "real"?

 

nothing really, except this moment.

 

^^^ ahh, impermenance

sounds amazing pr0ne!!! I too, am sorry to hear about your girflriend's experience. I too have witnessed a friend get to that point, though she may have been slightly more puddled as she couldn't remember much. I wasn't in love with this person, nor were we very close friends at the time (we are really close now), but seeing anyone in that state is scary and difficult. I can't imagine what it would be like with a lover. I do hope that she, your girlfriend, does do some inner reflecting after this trip. Also it's good to hear she isn't done with lucy.

on the other hand your trip sounds wild, the rainbows, the walking at night and i can't even phathom tripping that hard and smoking dmt. HOLY everything! I can't imagine the visuals, let alone being able to smoke it. However, I have seen how the two chemicals (LSD and DMT) can play a hand-in-hand role in understanding my experience with these 2 drugs specifically. I bet it was very opening, if you will

and it seems like it was.

Every time i am tripping and dmt is offered i have shyed away from it, but its usually at a concert type situation; that's where i've seen the most dmt, and that just doesn't seem like the place to be experiencing such a thing.

so i am curious pr0ne, are you saying that smoking the dmt cleared things up for you a bit, perhaps making the things you were seeing and knew were more comprehendible? I don't mean to say that they were otherwise incomprehensible, but perhaps easier to focus on?
(i hope the above makes sense, it is sometimes difficult for me to find the right words to articulate my questions/answers correctly, or in the way that i intend to)

 

the problem with the scientific method is that it is a series of methods which will only produce a response approriate to an action that is made. if i drop a can on the ground, it makes a sound. so then only really a partially formed view is produced, biased by the actions taken to provoke the object. the experiment places limiting conditions on nature, because it's aim is to percieve answers posed by man. the 'scientific view of the world' is nothing more than a psychologically biased partial view of the world. so then how are we to account for the rest of the view? well what happens when you poke your brain with a god helmet? lol!

 

hmmm scientific studies are pretty good.

they make religion look like a joke thats for sure.

ohhh where to start.
our human beleifs expecially from trippin are all our imagination. spirtitual. what we imagine the universe or existence to be like. it can be taken off of what u have learnt in the past. putting the 'spirritual, imaginative" side away, and u can find out alot about the world and the universe thro science.

 

imagination and spiritual are not the same thing.