Not the way you two deliver it. Insulting the GP is not the way to sway opinion, IMHO. Plus all that 'founding father' malarky just gets tiresome. Freedom for those with slaves is what they were about. 'nuff said. You guys don't think these boards have had the go-around on these topics? Try using the search function. Rabel-rousing isn't effective here unless it shows a little heart too.