What’s needed to stop an American dictatorship?

I won't go to doctors who challenge my foolish beliefs with their education

Canada's medical system is not what you think it is. They are there for a reason.

 

I won't go to doctors that wear pink bunny suits and clown shoes.

 

This man is not a doctor yet has claimed to be for 30 years. Just more left wing corruption.

 

I don’t believe God or any other higher power sent Trump....what I do believe is that millions of Americans were too ignorant and/or greedy and/or full of hate and/or malicious and/or zoned to recognize a very evil person when propaganda and red hat (brown shirt) rallies rolled into town. This nation is the on its way to becoming the most despised nation on earth.....and when a day of reckoning comes, we will all pay the price, not just the minority of right wingers supporting Trump. Bombs dropped on Nazis and non-Nazis alike in Germany.

 

But this is the thing - it doesn’t have to happen – you can jump off a skyscraper and you then know shit is going to happen when you hit the ground but if you don’t jump, it won’t.

Why would you wish to jump?

People don’t have to suffer from the hardships of disadvantage, it would be very easy to help many people if the political will to do so was there – the problem is that divisive right wing propaganda has instilled in many a selfish ‘I’m all right jack’ attitude that seems to reject helping others.

 

LOL -the babies did this – my point was that the babies born into advantage didn’t earn that advantage those babies didn’t produce any of these things.

You cannot say people must earn their advantages then say the complete opposite.

 

Educated people are important in the development of these things – often due to public spending. Many of these things are only possible due to governmental international agreements, regulations, laws, legally protected patents, etc – all publically funded.

Computers came out of public spending, often military or university government spending.

Internet military spending

World Wide Web from government spending on CERN.

Wireless phones grew out of military spending and development of ‘walkie-talkies’ - one of the first was the backpack sized Motorola SCR-300 and hand held Motorola SRC-536 both used in the WWII.

Cars and trucks in general are only commercially viable because of public spending on roads, bridges and other publically funded infrastructure (making it possible to get things delivered). Also the laws governing road use and vehicle safety overseen by publically funded bodies.

Rocketry again developed due to military spending, governments put the first people in space (Soviet Russia was the first) satellites were developed by governments and many current GPS devises use military satellites.

Many medical innovations come about in publically funded in universities, many universities around the world are at the forefront of Covid research and finding a vaccine.

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Right wing propaganda always pushes the idea that ‘private is good, public is bad’ that nothing good or useful has come out of public spending and that only private wealth drives innovation and progress – even the slightest research shows that up to be on the whole bull-shit.

Look at it and you find that many things like the things you mention have either had help directly from public money or have benefit from it indirectly through publically funded infrastructure.

 

How?

Can you please explain your "big picture" view?

As I’ve explained many times the idea of trickle-down economics that many neoliberals put forward has not happened - all that has happened is as wealth has gravitated to the very few things have become a lot worse for everyone else.

 

Here is something for you that I wrote after the crash in 2008

Let us look at the case of James (Jimmy) Cayne, who seemed to prefer playing bridge and golf to running Bears Stearns although he got a salary of $200,000 dollars to supposedly do it along with huge bonuses.

Well on paper at one point he was worth in the region of 900 million.

But then Bears needed Fed help and JPMorgan Chase was paid to snap it up and Cayne cashed in his Bears stock at a rather low price and supposedly only made 60 million or so. But as the New York Times noted even with the ‘loss’ he wasn’t liable to go hungry, in fact “he has certainly accumulated enough to live out his retirement years in comfort”. There is the other investments such as the Plaza hotel apartments he brought for $28 million.

So lets see - According to US social security the average wage for Americans in 2006 was around 38,651, and remember there are a hell of a lot of people on lower, but lets round it up to 40,000 for convenience.

So if someone didn’t spend any of their wages and lived off air then it would take them a hundred years, 100 years, to make just 4,million, so it would take them just seven hundred years 700, to raise the 28 million Jimmy paid for his flats and only 1500 years to raise the 60 million he got for his shares.

So an average American would have had to have begun working in the reign of the dark age Frankish king Clovis, well over 1000 years before America was even discovered to reach the amount that Jimmy made in one day.

 

As I’ve said before right wingers like yourself seem to lack vision or empathy for those beyond the immediate

Of course I’m going to help my child but I also realise that there are many children that due to circumstances beyond their or their parents control are unable to gain that help.

I want a society that helps people to get on, prosper and fulfil their potential you seem to want one were everyone is out for themselves

To me that ‘fuck to all the rest’ attitude is the thing that destroys a society

 

Tucker Carlson of Fox News, a more doctrinaire far-rightist, offered an emotional defence [of Kyle Rittenhouse]. “How shocked are we,” Carlson said, “that 17-year-olds with rifles decided they had to maintain order when no one else would?”…

Just as disturbing, for those likely to be on the receiving end of police violence, has been the convergence of police and paramilitaries. It is not just that militiamen are hardline supporters of the police who see themselves as augmenting state repression. Police themselves have repeatedly condoned and indulged the vigilantes, who have been permitted to roam around with guns out, attacking Black Lives Matter crowds unimpeded by authorities.

How did the US's mainstream right end up openly supporting vigilante terror? | Richard Seymour

Hell this has eerie echoes of what I said about the end of the Weimar Republic

- With hindsight people might be shocked to think that most of the German Police willingly backed Hitler but it has to be remembered at that time the Nazis had provoked street fights in many German cities with left wing groups, that they portrayed as thugs, rioters, communists and anarchists (antifa) .

Then through propaganda the Nazis promoted the idea that the state was in jeopardy of collapsing into anarchy and that Hitler’s strong leadership was needed to ‘restore’ order.

Hitler promised the police his full support – and gave it

Adolf Hitler posed as a champion of law and order, claiming he would uphold traditional German values. The police and many other conservatives looked forward to the extension of police power promised by a strong centralized state, welcomed the end of factional politics…Nazi state in fact alleviated many of the frustrations the police experienced in the Weimar Republic. The Nazis shielded the police from public criticism by censoring the press. They ended street fighting by eliminating the Communist threat. Police manpower was even extended by the incorporation of Nazi paramilitary organizations as auxiliary policemen. The Nazis centralized and fully funded the police to better combat criminal gangs and promote state security. The Nazi state increased staff and training, and modernized police equipment. The Nazis offered the police the broadest latitude in arrests, incarceration, and the treatment of prisoners. The police moved to take "preventive action," that is, to make arrests without the evidence required for a conviction in court and indeed without court supervision at all.

Many people were sucked in by the propaganda and once Hitler gained enough power it was impossible to go back only forward into horror and tragedy.

Most German police officers in 1933 were not Nazis, but they were overwhelmingly right leaning conservatives. Hitler appealed to many of them because he posed as a champion of law and order, and claimed he would uphold traditional German values. Hitler seemed like the logical candidate for many of them at that time.

In 2016 a survey of US police officers indicated that 84% said they would vote for Donald Trump (Hillary was supported by 8%, Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson received 5%, and "other" received 3%).

 

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Yes -Exactly the same things the Nazis used to bring down the Weimar Republic

 

I agree! There are third parties, including Greens and Libertarians, for whom I sometimes vote. But the major parties have effectively limited their ability to even be on the ballot.

 

mid-representations —> mis-representations, you foul mouthed jerk.

 

In my mind, it's just every person's individual disposition - their position on the past, present, and future of America. We need only vote to secure ourselves a healthier tomorrow. & being informed is important.

I think the media is doing a lot right now to provide insight with regard to the general election. Their fact checking is particularly useful.

 

Sorry you need to face the fact that the US does not have a Proportional Representation system it is first past the post.

And in this election there is no equivalence

On one side you have the Republicans and Trump who seem to be happy to want to destroy the American democratic system of government and on the other you have, not my choice but at least those that still believe in it.

The thing to ask yourself is do you want to live in a liberal democracy?

It is very simple if you are happy to give it up vote Republican if not vote Democrat

 

Foul mouthed jerk! Thanks Ms Greene. Compliments are hard to come by these days.