what about people who don't "get turned on"

very cool thread idea... tim leary in the psychadelic guide says people who do not merge with cosmic conciousness when it presents itself, just get high and start to feel like maybe they are melting, or feel strange things in their body like their spine maybe(which is where the nerve of awareness resides; ) or a bunch of other symptoms, but the people who DO get turned on feel a lot better, truth does get ya high, it also kind of bothers me to see people use these things as party drugs, i think when we trip, we need to have some REAL purpose other than to get high, eat these things like the sacred sacraments that they are, with respect, honor, and good intent, that is how you will get turned on, and most likely have a better overall trip.

thats the thing with tripping, you do get symptoms, and people dont know how to diagnoise them or what to make of that crazy world they experience, because they havent prepared properly or read the right material or heard the right stuff, or more importantly LISTEN to the right stuff... like i tripped 10 times my freshman year like 2 years ago now and thought i was turned on, i hadnt read a single book just some stuff online here and there, but i read a lot over that period and ate mushrooms recently for the first time in a year, and it was by far the most enlightening psychadelic experience i have ever had, even then i didnt prepare as much as i could have or diagnoise everything possible...i still had a LOT to learn. what i am getting at is you can never prepare TOO much for a trip, tim leary was right, and you might THINK your turned on but in actuality still have much to learn, and i still do, thats the whole trip, is learning and bettering ourselves, theres so much to see that can never be seen says elton john in the circle of life from the lion king soundtrack, and so much to DO that can never be done.

i liked what you had to say, and i think it is a mixture of those things about why people get enlightened on drugs and then the next day their joe blow again, its different for everybody.

 

some people really seem to take these kinda drugs just to have a good time, get wasted...like a drink or a joint on the side..and while i can´t judge this kind of attitude i still have difficulty understanding it - i could never use any hallucinogenic substance as a *party* drug.

the effect alone should be enough to be able to observe that it isn´t numbing/*fucking up* (like your brains on alcohol, for instance..which gives you the *i don´t give a fuck*-mentality when you´re really pissed) anything - instead, if you have that certain psychological sensitivity required to make these kind of *observations*, it feels more like a revelation of yourself to yourself (and to the shared consciousness with other people in that moment..)...

on the other hand, trips can´t give you anything *additionally* that just wasn´t there in the first place..
which is also contrary to many people´s beliefs...at least some people that i know..people who think that the thoughts/visions they had were just too unreal to be true or who sort of *expect* certain things to happen, to *see things that aren´t there*
for me even the illest hallucinations refer to something that is coming from a great source inside myself, a source that should be important to listen to...tripping or not tripping...

so i guess the reason why some people are able to have that feeling they learn something and use it for deepening spiritual experience is because they are already in contact with that *inner source* in their sober frame of mind, because they allow themselves to question the boundaries of *reality*...so they can use the knowledge they already have to let it *work* on a trip

it´s not like you press a button and switch! - there´s some kind of magical alien world you never knew of before, YOU are the one responsible for creating that magical world you see...

 

that is because pure real truth cannot be put into words, you realize the limits that words really do impose on us. that was a part of tim learys trip, the analogy was when i talk to you it is like my chessboard trying to play against your monopoly game, you just cant do it, we are all on different circuit boards and planes of reality. and why anyone would want to write ON psychadelics is beyond me(writing after taking a trip is a whole nother story though), there are so many more important things you could be doing while tripping, one of the things you realize is that its all in your head, and that there is nothing to do, its all sitting right inside of you, thats where the whole trip needs to take place is inside of you. all good things come from understanding, which is an internal process. back to the monopoly/chess game, what psychadelics do is dissolve boundaries, thats exactly what they do is destroy lines, and barriers, and that is so beautiful, it is the only real form of communication, to truely see another persons thoughts and into their reality and feel the things they may have felt, and see the things they may have seen. i mean realities analyzations seem rather boring and unreal compared to this realm of existence dontcha think? and can you say with a straight honest to god face that there is nothing to learn from psychadelics, especially the mushrooms or mescaline that grow naturally upon this very earth

you remind me of someone, hmm.....

 

but if you arent smart like a lot of the people who do use these things to get high and to party, you are much more likely to take a higher dose and literally be pushe down into hell in some cases, you truely are forced into the spirit world with the right dose of psychadelics, you dont have a choice once your in, you just have to ride the storm out if thats what it is.

 

It all depends on how one uses a drug. Most drugs can be very beneficial, a great relaxer, or an escape. Most drug users look for an escape from their lives or time or whatever. We here are mostly looking for a form of recreational relaxation, as in using occasionally using to enjoy the effects of a drug, or for exploratory experiences. The people you see who don't get profundly changed or learn from drugs are just using them as an escape from reality and just sitting in a cloud of nonreality just to do it.

 

ive found that the normal world is dull and boring now, and the stoned world is new and fresh, ever since i started stoning. thats why i do it a lot. maybe im escaping the boringness of life? i dont like to think of it that way.

 

I find that some of the ideas are stupid or silly and don't hold up the next day, but some do. The thing about drugs is they knock you off your balance, and let you think about things in new ways. It's not that they make you smarter, just that they open you up, you stop being so narrow in your thinking. You can allow yourself to follow an idea that you might otherwise immediately write off as being dumb. Sometimes you learn amazing things, sometimes you don't. I don't think it's a cheap substitution, because it's just a different technique for thinking. It might be enough to jolt you into a new way of thinking that you wouldn't have gotten if you never used drugs, or never used them in this way.

 

I have found myself in the same situation, like everyday life.. ppl, the world is so boring, like there's nothing to it. But everything changes when I'm high, suddenly everything has a new meaning, it becomes interesting. So yeah maybe it is to escape the boringness of life or to escape reality.. to go to mine?. There can be hundreds of reasons to justify why I get high, but do I really need one? Can't I just do it because I like it, because its a part of who I am today.. because before I did it, I knew there was a void that needed to be filled, because I knew there was more to life than this...

Personally I think that getting high gives you a new perspective on life, the world and yourself. I think that's something we should cherish and that's what we should look for in drugs.

 

its wrong to think that people who trip and dont act like theyre on another level of conicuosness are not getting the same high, for the most part. take me and my cousin for example. when ive tripped with my friends who are all into the shit like me, we start talking about philosophy and spiritualism and all that good shit, but most of the time my friends get too off track and dont make any sense to anyone but themselves. but when i trip with my girlfriend and my cousin, we are a lot different from my cousin, but we have the best conversations and and laugh the most. i think people who dont open themselves up to you about tripping and seem materialistic and fake either dont care what you think because they believe theyre smarter than you, or theyre too afraid to because what they feel while tripping is very personal and they dont want to seem weird. i mean i dress in the most expensive clothes i can afford and work as hard as i can and to people that see me and dont know me, i must look mad fake and closed minded. but the experiences that ive had in my life are so crazy that id rather appear like im a drone. i dont care though, i like it. and ive gone on some crazy trips, believe you me.

 

i have a friend, he is the lead singer in this band www.foxyshazam.com i suggest you check them out. But he doesnt understand drug use at all. i was trying to explain how your mind is open and your thought processes change and you can realize things about yourself, your life, your existance (on psychedelics). His reply was "why dont you just think like that when your not on drugs" and went on to explain how he doesnt need drugs to acheive higher states of conciousness. i dunno, he's cool as fuck, and not TOTALLY against drug use. i'll talk to him and get his actual thoughts on the subject and post em later.

 

Well he has a point, I think u could get that higher state of conciousness without using drugs, is just more difficult. Let's see it this way.. you have a headache.. you take some aspirin, or tylenol or advil, something like that, and the headache goes away quickly, but if you don't is gonna go away eventually, the only thing is it would last longer. The pill u take is an aid. That's what drugs are and aid, they help us achieve that state, but it has to be in us first.

 

i totally agree. i think sometimes people just don't have the words, confidence, or desire to articulate their experiences. where in PA? i'm in shippensburg studying english. and about looking fake...right on! fuck em. we all need a balance with the material world, and you seem to be conscious of and in control of your place in it.
yep,
brad

 

it's good hearing your comments, autentique. i have dug them all...I definitely think you can achieve some pretty heavy altered states w/o drugs. sometimes i can just let go and sort of trip out when i'm just sitting around sober, but i really can't maintain it for hours and hours like when i eat a bunch of cubes. basically, drugs give me ideas of new places to reach for while sober.

 

yo brad im in philly. and tell the moon dog, tell the march hare? fuck yea man yes is the shit! I drew the trippiest drawing based on that tripped out song. we have heaven right?

 

Thanx .. I was looking under my bed for you, but all I could find was a bunch of memories, I don't think any of those were you

 

I tend to hate the ones that ruin trips more than just dont experience them like me.

I mean, I know that recently 3 friends of mine all got together, and bought like 8 grams of shrooms and split it all equal. Now, someone in this group obviously didnt like what was happening, but it cause the other two to freak out too. This was all 3s first time, and they only ate like 2 2/3 grams each, and they werent good shrooms either. But the one caused the others to freak, they all had bad trips, and now none of them will try any of that kind of stuff ever again.

And I was looking forward to some good trips with some good friends too.


But yeh, I also hate when I go up to someone and say something like, "yeh, I tripped last night, I felt so alive, I was so lost in the world around me and I couldnt help but feel absolute and pure bliss" then they reply by saying something like "yeh I've tripped before, it was a real trip" WELL NO SH*T!
thx for your wonderfly poetic contribution to the conversation, now please go AWAY!

 

this brings up the important quetion of whether we really know what reasons we have for things...as soon as the subconscious was invented, in a way, we've had to doubt everything to it. i guess we just ought to trust people when the stakes are low like in debates like this.

 

But do we really have reasons or do we just make them up to feel better about what we are doing?

 

that was my point. i guess it would've been good to say it that way. free will and causation are both pretty debatable...

 

Yes.. I guess that was your point that's the same thing I tought