What Are Your Views On The Death Penalty

its seems that our divergence of opinion comes from your measuring the value of life based on its potential. that isn't how i see it.

 

Not entirely, but for sake of saving another drawn out argument with a liberal, sure. And of course you wouldn't view it that way.

 

I'm probably going to regret putting my toes in the water of this line of discussion, so I may or may not continue replying to it.

That's because by that time in the pregnancy, the fetus is then capable of being self-sustaining for the most part. That's why late term or partial birth abortions have been banned aside from some exceptions where the life of the mother might be at risk. The vast majority of them happen within the first trimester.

 

Agreed. I posed my question in hypotheticals, since I already stated my mixed emotions about the death penalty in the context of a broken justice system.

But the response from a fair amount of people is that killing is wrong under any conditions. Yet bird claims that he doesn't have an issue with it because it must be for a reason. If the mother's health is that reason I'd say that's fair. Honestly it's not my place to judge who has an abortion or for what reason.

My intent was to point out the hypocrisy in saying it's wrong to kill a murderer, but abortion is ok. Fetus argument or not I think it is classic partisan hypocrisy.

 

my argument against the death penalty isn't founded on the moral claim that killing is wrong and that life should always be preserved, but it does come with an implicit assumption that murder is regrettable and should be avoided (which is an assumption shared by many people) . My argument is mainly based on what the role of the legal system should be and practical considerations.

you're the one bringing up the idea of an inherent right to life which can be earned or forfeited.

your belief in my hypocrisy is based on a set of ethical principles which i don't share with you. i think your comparison is absurd, but I'm sure to you it makes perfect sense.

plus you decided to bring my nationality into the discussion as if it invalidated any opinion i might have, which should have clued me in to the fact that trying to discuss anything with you in a reasonable manner was doomed from the start, like talking to an extremely condescending brick wall.

 

You make some good points which I can't argue. I don't understand but it seems validated by you so thanks for answering my question.

Now, about my comment regarding your nationality. It was mostly a joke, partially not. I get tired of hearing from other nationalities how the US is the downfall of everything in the world so I figure why not flip the script.

For the record I am predominantly English in ancestry, like 80%. So if I was totally serious then I'd more or less be deprecating myself.