What changed when u first took acid?

psychedelics are truly a key to open you up to the divine light. if that is what you are looking for - as many will admit, there are people who do it for other reasons, some just want to trip themselves out for fun.

i suspect the problem with you is that when you are in the divine light you feel further from your god, or because of your beliefs the psychedelic drug takes you to a place that is not what you consider to be in the light of god so you dont recognize it as the divine source. what you should realize is that your understanding of god is very confused by your childhood and all those conflicting views. what psychedelics are trying to show you is that your beliefs are wrong in some ways. otherwise when you take lsd you would feel closer to the divine source(what might be considered god).

if you take lsd or any psychedelic and you do not feel or reach what you know to be a connection to the divine source then you are doing something wrong or you are not doing psychedelics for that reason. something might be wrong with the way you live your life or what you believe. or the set and setting may not be appropriate for that type of experience. none the less, when you experience any negative or uncomfortable feeling while tripping it is your fault or something that you can change in order to transcend.

if you take any psychedelic drug and you feel great, like nothing you have ever felt before and everything seems so amazing - then you are in connection with the divine source.

 

3xi, while I appreciate your desire to help, I have to point out that I dont think you understood what I was describing as far as connection with God.
I made a post in another thread, I think in a mushroom thread, (ill see if I can dig it up) about how on my mushroom trip 2 weeks ago, I had a very powerful trip that was nothing but confusing for the first half (as most powerful trips are) but that during the second half of the trip, I spent what felt to be at least an hour laying in bed, with my son in my arms asleep, looking at Krsna smiling at me while His gopis played with His hair, cows were grazing freely, and it was in the middle of the most wonderful garden. At that moment, while looking into His eyes, I started to lose all sense of taboo and uncomfort with my own body and mind. Then I realized that in actuality (not that I didnt already know this, it was just actualized) my body is nothing more than the likes of a pair of clothes that the Self manifests for its physical lifetime.
After that, I went to look down at my body and my son, and saw that they werent there. I was not in the garden, in Krsna's precense, either. I WAS the garden, I was part of Krsna, I was as one with the universe in that I no longer possed body or mind. I blended into the material nature at first, and then I blended into the spiritual nature second.
Its not that I have trips that astound me and leave me uncomfortable, its that it feels forced, AT TIMES.
I highly regard psychedelic experiences as purely authentic spiritual experiences as well, also the revelations of esoteric nature are considered authentic in my opinion, though they are very personal and can not be so easily translated.
All I meant to say is that I find it more rewarding to acheive this state of Unity with God while sober, and of my own will, without chemical intervention

 

I think this basically sums up what I was getting at 3xi. Just my personal opinion on how close God allows us to get to Him using LSD, without doing the work on our own and developing the yogic sciences over years of experience

 

then why do you use them? if you feel more of 'this state of unity with god while sober' then you think that taking a psychedelic disconects you from your god. if so then why do you use them? you are only going to fuck yourself up.

if you are truly a spiritual person and you feel more spiritual when you are sober then you are only betraying your belief by getting high. no one would ever in good concious take a drug that disconects them from their own sprituality.

if you were to become more enlightened the beginnings of your trips would no longer be confusing.

walking the path of enlightenment is a natural progression with experienced psychedelic users. for one very good reason - even if you are just bettering yourself so that you can have better trips, you are still bettering yourself and thus are on the path of enlightenment.

 

i would love to trip with you!

what do ya say - the two of us get together and take large amouts of lsd?

where do you live? whats the most you have taken? do you like music?

if you think i can send your head for a spin on this forum, wait till you get to trip with me.:H

 

Once again, you miscontrued my point.
I can see that you DO understand my point (at least I think you do) but that you are intentionally distorting my meaning to conform with your advice, which is absolutley uneeded in my situation.
No where in my entire post did I say that psychedelics disconnect me from God. Where did I say that ? Please, by all means, point it out man.
I said that it forces me to be connected, only I am doing so by the fuel of the drugs, and the drugs wear off. Following the state of sobriety afterwards, the need to recupirate and get your energy back is required, and we have to rest.
And where did I say that psychedelic drugs are viewd negativley by Krsna?
Krsna Himself never once said this. He said that drugs that inhibit your ability to think on Him are damaging to the path of Krsna Conciousness. Not sins, simply stalling is a better desription.
But, once again, psychedelic drugs, like I just said, do NOT prevent connection with God, rather, they are an expediated process of connecting with God.
I dont know how to explain this to you man because I feel that you are ignoring my point and forcing your rhetoric on me.

 

Dude, if you take enough LSD, a fucking rock heating in the sun can send your head for a spin. Seriously bro, you are not the only person who has ever taken LSD before lol Grow up

 

i am 10 years older then some guy telling me to grow up.


now come on... lets not let the religious freak ruin this thread too.

lets leave it at that shall we.

 

No, we shall not simply run away from the truth here and avoid the facts as you are so accustomed to doing.
You are the one claiming you can take my head for a spin, like a teenager talking trash before a fight. That is why I said grow up. You keep tryping all of this bullshit about how enlightened you are, yet you stoop as low as to claim such childish statement like this.
Then you call me a relgious freak, yet another example of your prejudice and false sense of egotistcal pride.
HOW the hell is my religion bothering you or anybody? This thread was designed for the purpose of recounting personal stories of what changed for us after taking LSD.
YOU are the one who came in here and attempted to distort my intent layed out, VERY CLEARLY, in my original post.
Now, you are also the person who wants to backdown out of yet another argument you started, because you know that you are full of shit and have nothing positive or thought provoking to chime in with.
If you dont wish to hear my "freakish" religious statements, then dont come at me about my opinion.
This thread is not called lets write things down, only to have 3xi come and tear our posts apart, then have him claim that he is beyond us in nature and understanding and leave without proving anything. At least, thats not what my computer screen shows for a title.

 

i havnt had anything change since acid hasnt decided to find me yet

 

acid dosent find you, are you serious? It dosent have fucking legs and a mind of its own.

 

it is very obvious who the child here is.

tearing your posts apart? - you are a very confused person,,, i was offering some insight.

you are very lost. the sad thing is that you dont think you are and you try to have others join you.

 

dont listen to this guy, acid definitely has a way of finding you.

 

damn i wish it found me i searched high and low for it for a few months before i finally got it lol

 

live by the sword, die by the sword.

 

it found me at the perfect moment. i wanted it like a year earlier, but i know if i had it then, it would not have been good.

it came at the perfect moment, the perfect day infact. amazing

 

thats it man, exactly.

 

my experience with acid is interesting in that it thought me something very important about this wonderful drug. my first trip was when i was 19 and i dont remember that much about it really except for at the end when i was trying to fall asleep with no success- the rain out side sounded so interesting and different that it freaked me out a bit. nothing really changed. i was doing shrooms at that time as well and the same thing, i remember that i liked them and had fun but never got anything more than that. at this time i was playing with the band we put together in high school and we shared a similar view. we moved out to british columbia and started playing in and around vancouver. we continued to trip out once and awhile only because it was interesting and made you think.

it wasnt until i met another musician before i started to notice any real change. it was because he was so much better of a musician then anyone i had ever met before that i wondered why> you see, when me and the other guys in the band would play our music it was always when we were sober. because of our no drinking rule and our misunderstanding of what lsd is we were not open to playing music while under the influence of lsd. the other musician i will call "d" was shocked to hear about our strange 'rule'. a few trips with "d" playing music on acid was all i needed to realize only part of what lsd had to offer. on acid music is strangely easier to play in a lot of ways, although this is only if you can open up to free flowing creative energy, if you play a song that you wrote before you have to be comfortable with it sounding completely different as you let go of what the song sounded like sober. anyways,,, hard to explain. basically what i am trying to say is that acid improved my musical abilities not only when i was high but also when i came down.

i wondered if i could take some acid to improve my musical abilities and my music is a connection to a deeper part of me then maybe lsd could do more then just improve my musical abilities, maybe it could improve who i am too. being a humble young man i realized that i had faults just like everyone else and was very hopeful that lsd could be just what i needed to become a better person then my parents made me to be. because "d" and a couple other friends were all i knew at that time i had to seek the internet for more information. my friends were great for introducing me to this new world of psychedelic music but they still lacked that sense of self betterment that i was so hoping to find. they just tripped out and had fun, no real sense of spirituality just party party party. i found "the psychedelic experience" by timothy leary on erowid and printed off a copy to read at work. i read it a few times as it is complicated as hell and hard to read. i did get the general message and from that point on just like he suggests in his book every trip i had was more rewarding and life changing - i was becoming more enlightened with every trip. every trip i would learn something new about myself and those around me in a way that made me a better person. i realized why i should never lie, cheat, steal etc.etc. ,, i, like most young people considered myself to be a pretty good guy. it wasnt until after i read "the psychedelic experience" that i had a bad trip. i wasnt even considering that i could have a negative experience until i read that it happens because of bad game playing in normal reality. it is almost like tim put a little bug in my mind or something. truth is that i was skimming a little money from work and cheating on my girlfriend. every acid trip was a nightmare until stopped what i was doing knowing that i would never do it again. after those obvious flaws in my character were removed there was still much more about myself that needed to change but nothing that would be considered horribly wrong or a sin. mostly my insecurities needed attention.

anyways to make a long story shorter-- "the psychedelic experience" scared me into a nightmare that snapped me out of my rotten ways. i am forever grateful. thanks to a another friend of mine that came along a little later- he had much more acid experience then my other friends and he introduced me to a book called "be here now" by ram dass. this book truly saved my outlook. "be here now" is much easier to understand and has more of a spiritual aspect to it. this book helped me in so many ways. my new friend also introduced my to my new acid dealer who also became an inspiration. it was very obvious that he was much more free a spirit then i was and that i had much to learn from him. in the few years that we visited regularly we became very fond of one another as he helped me rise up just by sharing with me his many stories.

so, when i didnt expect anything but a good time that is all i pretty much got. as soon as i started to open up to the idea and eventually believe that lsd can be used as a key to an enlightened state of existence things started to change. if you truly believe that lsd is the answer you have been looking for than that is exactly what it will be.

for most people living in north american culture it is not practical to seek only meditation and other natural methods in achieving enlightenment. lsd most definitely can if used wisely be a wonderful way to achieve a better way of life and understanding generally thought of as enlightenment.

acid made you realize something about life in a big way, what you realized about school and/or your life on or after your experience with acid is probably difficult to deal with but is most definitely what is right for you. if you quit school it is for the best- you heart wants you elsewhere.

reminds me of myself and my situation a bit. just after i met my friend "d" and started to do acid more often then before my mother called me with an offer from the family. apparently my aunt is rich and was willing to loan me as much money as i needed interest free to go to school. well i thought this was great and said that i wanted to go to school for audio engineering. this was something that i had always wanted to do so my mother probably could have expected my answer. what she said was no!- i could only go to school for something that they thought would prove beneficial. in other words they would not support me unless i did what they wanted me to and give up on my music. even my girlfriend at the time thought it was stupid of me to pass up this opportunity- because i could still play my music, at least i would have something that pays more just in case. well then, i said no to my parents and left my girlfriend. if they are not going to support my music then fuck them. at the time i was pumping gas for minimum wage. i stayed at that job for long enough to become the manager which turns out to be great experience. i am still working on my music and make enough money to be happy.(thankfully I no longer work at the gas station!) i left two more women after that one for the same thing, and now i am about to marry a woman who loves and supports my music - i couldnt be happier. i can say with most certainty that if i was not into acid i probably would have giving in to my mother and all the other stupid women in my life trying to have me give up the music to settle down with a family just like my brother did- poor guy,, oops i mean - good for him, i am glad he is happy...lol.. he dont know what he is missing. my brother put both acid and music down for a family life. i think he might play every now and again but it is nothing in comparison to what he gave up. he also thinks that it is impossible to achieve "true" enlightenment with psychedelic drugs - i am still not sure what he means by true, as far as i was aware there was no such thing as fake enlightenment...lol.


sometimes what everyone around you thinks is the wrong thing to do is actually the right thing to do. lsd is great for helping one see this and in giving one the strength to look them in they eye and say - "you dont know what is best for me, i do"!!!

 

At first, yes, I may allow myself to believe that your first post in this thread was done with only the slight bias you have towards myself and might have been an honest attempt to offer advice.
But the second post you made was nothing but pure denial and ignorance, and the deliberate decision to distort my words.
It is apparent that you either did not understand my words, or that you purposley tried to argue a point that gathers the shade underneath your enormous ego. And, obviously, I tend to expect that it was the latter since you have a VERY strong negative opinion of me as is.
I tried to explain to you that you missed my point and were offering advice that had absolutley nothing to do with my reasoning for not taking LSD to gather spiritual influence. Rather, it was advice that you assume I need based on a perspective you have formed by judgement of my character regarding posts in another thread.
If you can not come to terms with me and agree to disagree, then you can continue to flaunt your ignorance to your hearts content. By all means, continue
But my opinion on tripping will always be the same, it is as Krsna describes to Arjuna upon Arjunas request to see the Universal Form (which, by the waY, is very psychedelic in nature, you should read it sometime) and Krsna, out of compassion and love decides to show Arjuna, though before doing so tells him that it is not necessary to view these things when one has already gained the basis of Divine Truth.
The Tao Speaks similar esoteric simplicity

 

no,,, you are so wrong.

i honestly believe that you are a very messed up individual. i have only taken the time to help you and others see why your outlook is very dangerous.

you have to be very lost to think that my experience over your obvious lack of it is actually the other way around. you say that i am flaunting my ignorance when it is so obvious that it is you who are ignorant.

you think you know better then me because you have your Krsna, the truth is that i speak from experience and you speak from your lack of understanding.

go back and actually read with an open mind what i said about your statements or please do us all a favor and shut up. if you dont like that people have something to say about what you post then dont post!!!

first you say that you dont see lsd as anything really spiritual then you go on to say that it is. you are lost.

for the record i strongly recommend that you find a new outlook towards spirituality and lsd, most likely by finding your own way instead of following Krsna. if you do not change your outlook and you continue to experiment with lsd i hope that you will at least slowly change your outlook over time. otherwise you are going to fuck yourself up big time.

it is very hard for you to understand what it is like to be 10 years older then you are. when you get to 31 years old you will look back at the time when you were 21 and you will understand what i meant.

i think you are very closed off to what i have to say for some reason. you would have to be in order to miss all the good points i have made for you.

you poor man. the truth is that you should be getting some very powerful information from my posts. when you read how i see things a little clearer then you do even about yourself you should clue in that i am here for you to better yourself, if only you could choose to set your pride aside and hear me.

all you do in all of your responses to my posts is go on to say why you wont listen to me or that i am distorting your words, but you never explain how or why you see this. you never speak on the point or prove me wrong. you completely avoid the point every time. it is you who keeps missing the point my friend.

you are a very unhappy, lonely, lost and confused child who is biting the hand that is trying to feed him. you dont understand how lucky you are to be able to interact with someone such as myself. there are not many people with as much psychedelic experience as i have in the world. it is very unlikely that you would ever meet up with someone like me in your every day life. you should be thankful. even if we dont see eye to eye all the time or all we seem to do is butt heads - you are missing the point.-- you are just starting to experiment with psychedelics and i have 10years+ experience. just based on that alone you should be thankful for our interaction and try to take something positive from it.

like i said before, if you can not start to listen to people like me and try to find your own belief i strongly suggest you stop using lsd.

oh - one more thing... there is absolutely no way that a psychedelic trip should feel like it is forcing you to be anything. the only reason you feel force is because you are fighting it. if you were able to completely let go and enjoy a psychedelic trip it never feels forced. just the fact that you say you feel like the drug forces its spirituality on you says it all. the reason you feel force is because you are fighting it because you are clinging to your old belief. let go of what krsna taught you and let psychedelics and your higher self show you your own inner peace and infinite wisdom. there is no need to read what someone else thinks is the right way to live and believe when all you need to know is right there in your heart.

why are you so desperately trying not to understand what i have to say? i speak in plain english and i make solid points. -- what i assume your answer to this would be is, as i know you will not bother to answer yourself. -you have made a conscious choice to find your spirituality though the teachings of religion. i have found spirituality on my own. if you honestly believed that you could find spirituality without religion then you would have realized that you didnt need your religion. so because you think that your religion is best for you, you naturally want the same for me. this is exactly the same thing i am doing except i understand what i am doing. i realize that religion is wrong because i know a better way. you will probably go on to say how you dont think it is wrong for me to find spirituality on my own which will only confuse what ever points you think you might have made on this subject already.