What Do You Think About Isis?

IS may have gotten their hands on such droppings but when they are ment for anti assad rebels it isn't IS they're talking about (even though they're also anti-Assad and rebelling )

This doesn't seem right. I must be missing something... How so? Because IS is american/turkish?

 

no one is any one thing, even if they try to kill everyone they think isn't. this is why no one in something like that is ever entirely safe from each other. something people who join such things either don't realize or don't care.
and if something is more important to destroy then their own lives, then they have an understandable reason to not care.
i'm pretty sure there's a lot of people there, possibly, even probably, a majority, who hate both assad AND isil. remember hamas? america hated hamas because it wouldn't kiss the ass of corporate capitalism, but last i heard, THEY hate both assad AND isil. you have a lot of factions and people can move from one to another without really changing sides in their own mind, so weapons, or whatever kind of support, supplied to one, can and almost certainly will, find their way to everyone else.

the only thing supplying weapons is smart for, is weapons makers. either letting absence make the heart grow fonder, or a pinpoint mission to take out assad, would make more sense then any of the outsider's policies that media seem to be telling us are going on now. by outsiders, of course i mean russia, the u.s., turkey, europe, and anyone and everyone literally not resident there or from there.

and why is anyone outside even there at all? because we all want their oil. if not the oil itself, to control and profit from it.
and we really have the technologies that no one absolutely needs it.
we just keep consuming it because its what we're used to, what we're familiar with, and that because of institutionalized greed.

 

I understand that the weapons drop may not have been intended for IS but for some other groups associated with the fight against Assad.

Then again all the groups fighting Assads Army are the same groups that terrorize the world; which are the same groups the US and others back to fight Assads Army. So intern, arming them against Assad is theoretically expanding terrorism.

Doesn't the world see that they are arming the same ones they are fighting; who are the same ones killing innocent civilians. America needs to let go of this infatuation with Assad. He poses a threat to instability by creating stability. Russia sees the fact of what is happening. Putin understands the game being played and has stepped up to the bully that is the US and NATO.

Turkey- invaded northern Iraq, without approval - has shot down a Russian plane and killed the pilot as he was parachuting down - flew in to Greek no fly airspace to which Greek pilots refrained from shooting them down, the same that Turkey could have done with the Russian plane but did not - purchases oil from IS and pays them - taunts Russia daily

America, yet again invades norther Iraq and sets up a base there without Iraqi approval- arms ISIS and other militants to fight Assad - drops leaflets before bombing IS oil tankers in order for the drivers to escape - taunts Russia

Yet NATO says nothing to either; why?

The war on terrorism: only when it deems fighting against otherwise they are quality puppets to use.

Now the US has approved over a Billion dollars in weapons to Saudi Arabia. Again why?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/12/11/critics-try-but-fail-to-kill-1-billion-weapons-deal-for-saudi-arabia.html?intcmp=hplnws

 

I think we're talking many many times 50 tonnes from NATO for ISIS.

The whole thing has fuck all to do with terrorism in the corridors of Washington etc.

Its all about the usual filth wanting to takeover one country and another.
Obama and co, by creating ISIS - KNOWING the consequences, isn't any different to ISIS.

Just look at how Bush sr would boast about building Al Qaeda and calling them "freedom fighters" on Youtube.

 

Wait a minute man, there's no pajama party in here..

 

Only if you bring the down pillows but we can't hit hard as it may cause a few to request pillow free 'safe zones'.

 

After some research I've concluded major world governments like the US are using ISIS as a convenient distraction from what is really going on. Not to take away from those who have suffered at the hands of ISIS - but the US's major goal is to destabilize this region and IS gives the US a good excuse for keeping troops in the region in order to destabilize it. They're just another pawn in the chess game being played by major world powers over the region's natural resources..er, make that resource I.e oil

 

Also, ISIS would have never existed in the first place if it was not for the US government.

I find the whole ISIS thing to be funny. The government wants us to be scared, but all I can do is laugh because the whole thing is just so contrived. ISIS is simply the new name for al-Qaeda, which we KNOW was a US creation.

 

Now that you mention it..... when was the last time we heard shit about al-Qaeda?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbZDyr2LkdI

 

The Bamako hotel attack was less than a month ago.

 

i don't think much of anyone killing anyone for any reason, and while one religion is as good as another, one is as bad as another too,
and using any of them, or any ideology either, as an excuse to kill anyone, is illogical, retarded and evil.

but anyone who thinks isis equals islam, must agree the mcvay and the genocide of indiginous americans equals christianity.
that mai lai equals america and the mentality of donald trump equals the mentality of hitler.

what are media is telling us about them, is nasty. very nasty. and we see people killing each other.
but how much do we really know, and how much can we trust of what we are being told?

so yah, that's what i think. and living in america, i'm more likely to be shot for chump change, by someone who watches too much television,
then by a fanatic of some kind, from half way around the world. i might be hated and robed in other ways for refusing to lie to myself.

there are people who will do that anywhere, and they don't belong to any one ideology or belief, but rather can be found in all of them.

 

So what does this say about IS? And what do you think about them? I understand americans view the world through their perspective and with that always include how they themselves or their government for that matter are connected to the particular world affair we're talking about... but do you think IS is directly connected to US government? Can we think about IS without US government (to me it seems easy because to me the USA is not one of the most important 'players' in the syrian conflict. They're like just as important as Russia. They only matter because they have sided with or against some other party involved).
This is what troubles me sometimes when reading Pressed Rat's views about foreign conflicts: it always is in essence about american government and how they use international conflicts to take away rights and/or freedoms from american people. Although I can understand that is a concern for people like him I don't really see it as a primary concern when we are talking about IS and the syrian people. Nor can I see how people would laugh about how contrived all that stuff is. Maybe in regards to how your government and media is handling the conflict yes. But that is not really the conflict. To most of the rest of the world anyway.

 

This doesn't seem right either. How are the rebels of the free syrian army terrorizing the rest of the world? Do you understand why they fight Assad in the first place? If you did you would acknowledge that Assad is the one who basicly started terrorizing his own countrymen and those syrians were forced to either live supressed under Assad's rule, flee to another country or rebel against him. Seems like they can't do anything right in the eyes of the adequately informed international citizen Too late to simply live supressed under Assads rule, they're cowards and fortune seekers if they flee, and they're terrorists if they have the guts to take up arms against their dubious leader. And not just syrian terrorists I hear now... but they terrorize the world! How so exactly? Because they asked for international support and it was given?

 

I said the US is using IS as a distraction because I live in the US and I know they are - I can't really speak for how other world governments are presenting this to their citizens. The US was more or less an example.

I don't view this as strictly a US conflict at all. There are a lot of major and minor world players involved. To the point of ridiculousness, even - I read the other day the narcos of mexico have declared war on IS because they're destroying their flow of drugs into the region. This truly is a world conflict. It is an energy war presented as a war on terrorism.

As far as what I think about IS, I think they are a threat to moderate Syrians and Iraqis. I think they are far more sophisticated in terms of war and propaganda than a lot of people give them credit for. They have money and wealthy nations supporting them. They have a apocalyptic view of Islam and they want to attract jihadists and then they want to attract western nations to Syria to wage jihad. They've committed genocide against the yazidis. And they've witnessed a decade of US occupation in Iraq - America may not be the most important player in this conflict but they did create it, pretty much single handedly. Even if they're not funding IS, and I'm not sure how one goes about proving that either way, they certainly created the right conditions for IS.

That's about it. I can't say I've drawn any strong conclusions about them. I don't think they're as important as people think they are. Their biggest role in the conflict is moving oil out of Syria.

 

Barely even a mention where I live.

 

Well, it was shortly in the news here as well. You can't give everything the same amount of attention, though I agree as well some happenings should get more coverage. And I also often think there should be more often updates of how a situation is changing. In this regard Fukushima often comes to mind. Wouldn't more people like to see updates on such situations either? Like just because it happened a year or more ago doesn't mean it is all peachy now We wanna know! Just an off topic example.

But it is logical that the Paris attacks got more coverage than an equally dreadful happening in some hotel in Mali.

 

Muslims! There are no good ones, except dead ones!

 

Yeah, right.


NOT!




Why not just say "kill them all and let God sort them out"... "all" in this case is referring to anybody that doesn't look, act, or think like you.

 

Troll post. Only made for reactions. Just ignore such empty remarks.