What does John1:1 really say and mean in Greek?!

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  1. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    DUDE STEVENS didn't do it intentionally. Why shall I do such a thing?
    Peace and love [​IMG]
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
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  2. campbell34

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    1. Cat, my Bible states that there are three that bear witiness in Heaven, the Father, the Word, and the the Holy Ghost. I believe that, you don't.

    2. I believe the full Bible from Genis to Revelation. You don't.

    3. I don't believe you can pick a choose out of the Bible what you want to believe, and reject what you don't want to believe. You do. And that's where we differ.

    4. As long as you can ignore the written Word, and claim parts of the Bible
    were made up, or inserted you will never understand who God is.
     
  3. heron

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    Thanks for fixing that Cat, didnt seem like something you would do on purpose, but you never know.

    Much light.
     
  4. catstevens

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    Isn't me the only one, many Christian scholars don't believe in this verse + even if it was an intact verse it could be understood in other way as I clarified it in my thread [Is God 1or3?] which doesn't point to a triune god at all, otherwise it contradicts with some other verses in the Bible.

    Many Christian scholars considered some verses as insertions by men (not God's verses) + The Criteria

    I already knew who God is; I understand who he is too. Thanks to Allah.
    Have a nice, peaceful and faithful day =)
    Best wishes
    Peace and love [​IMG]
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
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  5. catstevens

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    heron


    You really don't have to thank me brother heron, it is your right and I should fix it =) it wasn't done intentionly, but yeah, you are more than welcome dude ^^


    thanking me is a kind act and a good deed =), so, I thank you =)

    Peace and love [​IMG]
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    Cat Stevens
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  6. campbell34

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    A true Christian believes the Word of God, and just because someone calls someone a scholar doesent make them a Christian. If God can build the universe, I'm sure He can get His Book right. And the Old Testament is clear, when God said, let US make man in OUR image, and in OUR likeness. You can play with the words anyway you want, but the only way you are going to change the meaning of those verses, is by PLAYING WITH THE WORDS.

    All over the world I see true Christians rushing to the aid of the down and out. Christians are on the cutting edge of almost every relief effort. When I look at those from your faith, all I see is violence and pain. Instability and men putting bombs on themselves, and killing countless innocent people, all in the name of Allah. It is your faith that treats woman as second class citizens, and in some Islamic countries if a woman is said to have commited adultery, off with their heads, and often it is only the woman that gets blamed. I will take Christ any day over the hard line Muslem clerics of your faith. American woman who often marry Muslem men find that once thy leave the States and enter an Islamic country, their loveing husband suddenly has a personality change. And then these woman suddenly find themselves prisoners in a strange land with no place to turn, because they soon discover that they have just lost all of their rights, and their freedom.

    There are a lot of people who would like to have a peaceful day, but the religion of Allah is telling the faithful to kill and destroy. And it appears this is happening more often, and many who worship Allah can find justifacation for their insanity in the religion of Allah. Three thousand Americans died in the world trade centers because of the religion of Allah. I can understand how a small group could go bad, but I can't understand how so many around the world who follow your faith, can actually believe that mass murder is something Allah supports. Do you really believe that when one of your Islamic friends blows himself up just to kill Jews, or anyone else, that Allah approves of this. Do you also believe that person then goes to paradise to have sex with three hundred virgins. Because I have to tell you, a lot of people from the Islamic faith are being taught this, and believe this.
     
  7. catstevens

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    Dear campbell34


    Yup, but there are Christian scholars too or Christians who are saying that, not ordinary Christians of course nor only scholars with a different belief or faith.


    This is very true, surely he can absolutely.


    I am not playing with the words brother, this is Hebrew language and grammar, that's why you don't find any problems with the Jews at the time with this verse, they even didn't wonder what does God mean by US/OUR, that because they know their language.




    Off topic, but many people from different beliefs are doing the same; it depends on their financial ability and capacity and number.


    You are focusing on this type, you should be fair, because most of the Muslims aren't doing this, there are many Muslims too who don't practice Islam, well, if I will be unfair like you, I can say, When I look at those from your faith, all I see people committing adultery, pedophile priests, very brutal crimes etc (I have documents) but yeah I am not like you, although they are Christians but I don't consider them practicing Christianity, that because I read their Gospels and I know, I should be fair.

    Quraan: Allah loves those who are just


    Again this is off topic, and as I wrote so many posts which I provided them with Quraanic and haddeeths evidences, this is not Islam, check my posts if you want,

    This is a summary and if I will be like you, I can say the same but again, I am fair; Bush is a Christian, how many innocent people died because of him! He claimed that he is doing that because Jesus ordered that! So, be fair, he is doing that in the name of Jesus!!!!! Who is the prime reason of all theses problems in the world!






    !!!!

    However, it is off topic, but maybe I will write a thread about woman in Christianity someday.


    Off topic, but …… just concentrate.


    It is the utter stupidity, to judge Islam according to Muslims' acts that because many Muslims don't practice Islam, and please don't take off the topic!!!


    Question why are you taking off the topic! You said: You think if you talk long enought people will forget. Are you doing this! To make people forget the main topic! Discuss it, don't go left or right. You are a copy of Erasmus but with few differences. I want you to write a new thread to show all members that Allah is telling us that, best wishes.

    Quraan:And who does more wrong than he who invents a lie against Allah. Such will be brought before their Lord, and the witnesses will say, "These are the ones who lied against their Lord!" No doubt! the curse of Allah is on the Zalimoon (wrong-doers, oppressors, etc.).

    Quraan:And who does more wrong than he who invents a lie against Allah or denies the truth when it comes to him? Is there not a dwelling in Hell for disbelievers?

    Quraan: O you who believe! If a rebellious evil person comes to you with a news, verify it, lest you harm people in ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful to what you have done.


    Justification for their insanity or an order from Allah!!!!!!!


    Because of Islam or…

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    Now Campbell, what you are doing is haram, be true to yourself, how many Muslims are over the world? How many support and how many don't support, who says that Allah ordered to do so, should give proofs, and stop taking off the topic.


    No.


    Maybe taught by Satan just like Paul who taught people to worship three Gods with no single proof just because he dreamed that or whatever, Blasphemy!!!
    Quraan: it is like that of Satan, when he says to man, `Disbelieve,' but when he disbelieves, he says, `I have nothing to do with thee

    DON'T TAKE OFF THE TOPIC.



    Peace and love [​IMG]




    Yours Sincerely,


    Cat Stevens

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  8. MeMilesAway

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    Dear Cat,

    I am writing this letter to you in peace and hope that you will cease your conversing with Campbell, as he is a pathway to destruction. Just reading his post to you upsets me within my soul; I am angered and enraged whenever I read his posts. Now that cannot be a good thing.

    I am a believer in Jesus Christ. I do not discredit other belief systems because I do not limit God. I also see nothing beneficial about saying or thinking that 'my' faith is the only possible option out there.

    ...so ignore Campbell for the greater good of hipforums

    Cheers,
    miles
     
  9. catstevens

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    Thanks =)

    If he wants to continue I don't mind, but if he will continue with such a style of taking off the topic and repeating, I will ignore him.

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    Thanks, I appreciate it.

    Dear brother, you and me believe in God's existence, Thanks Allah, brother, you believe too (probably) as I do that there is an eternal life after this life, eternal Hell or eternal paradise! There must be only one God! Christians think that if you will believe in Jesus as God then you will enter the eternal life, Muslims are saying something else, Jews, Hindus etc are saying something else, yet, there is only one true God, who is he? What is his religion, this is a very important issue, and as I said before, my wish is to be Jesus' futuristic disciple, it was my wish to see him , or meet him, I was looking for a way to do this Click , well, I received only one message from him, and I prefer to keep it and to don't share it, well, I think I have the truth, others think that too, so let's discuss it, because the truth is only one, who has it, what is it? It is a big deal.

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    Have a nice, peaceful and faithful day =)
    Best wishes
    Peace and love [​IMG]
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
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  10. MeMilesAway

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    Well I am a believer in Christ and I don't think I have ever been able to get through one of Campbell's posts without disliking him. Yep that sounds pretty harsh, but I do not see one iota of understanding within his framework of 'christianity'. Anyway thats why I posted the previous message.

    You say 'one truth' and 'What is God's religion?" You feel you have it, I suppose. I am not so daring as to state that. The person and spirit of Jesus Christ has done miraculous things in my life. I follow him as he is the one who saved me from destruction on this earth. Whatever 'paradise' awaits is really inconsequential to my faith. I rest in the hands of Jesus Christ. If God above sees that as entry into eternal heaven, so be God's will.

    If you are born in the middle east, much of Africa, Asia and many areas throughout Eastern Europe, etc., you will be raised in a muslim environment and Islam will be the prosthelized and practiced ideology. If you are raised in The US, the UK, Australia, Central Europe, etc., there is a good chance you will be raised around the christian religion. Like you said there are a great many other religions out there, all claiming to be 'the one'. If any person thinks their 'one truth' exists in all that jumbled progession of life and ideology then they are quite narrow, jingoist, very prejudice...and more than often, only products of their environment.
     
  11. catstevens

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    Why is that brother, why not daring it to state it! You should have a confirm belief, and when you have it you can say it easily. This is a blue butterfly [​IMG]this is how I see my religion, with such clearness; I state that Allah is the only true God with no doubts exactly as I stated that this butterfly is blue.

    Dear brother, many people from different religions got miracles, Muslims, Hindus, etc miracles aren't enough proof, I don't mean that I am right and you are wrong, I am saying that miracles aren't enough proof because other people from other religions can get the same thing. You know the true God is kind with all people
    Matthew 5:45: He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. Oh, how kind [​IMG], yet many don't appreciate it, nor give his majesty any kind of attention, I am so sorry for this my Lord.
    Quraan: If you disbelieve, then verily, Allah is not in need of you, He likes not disbelief for His slaves. And if you are grateful (by being believers), He is pleased therewith for you. No bearer of burdens shall bear the burden of another. Then to your Lord is your return, so He will inform you what you used to do. Verily, He is the All-Knower of that which is in (mens) breasts.

    Myself, Allah is enough for me, if Allah is pleased and satisfied with me then this is my paradise, the paradise of paradises =), and when I mentioned paradise and hell è there is an eternal life after this life, eternal Hell or eternal paradise! è I didn't mean that I want to be good and believer because I want paradise or reward, no, I meant after this life there is other eternal life, which you can choose any of them now, of course nobody wants hell! Who wants to live there! So, it is a big deal to know the truth, and if there is God who is he, Allah, or Jesus or Krishna or who? And if Krishna or Jesus is the true God then what did he want from his creature to follow a specific scripture? Did he say if you won't obey me or believe in me you'll go to hell? So, we have to know the truth to avoid Hell.

    If somebody claims that he has the only truth, then he should prove it, and if he can, it is logical and acceptable to say and do so.
    Have a nice, peaceful and faithful day =)
    Best wishes
    Peace and love
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
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    Not once did Paul teach anyone to Worship three Gods, Paul taught people that God exist as one God, and is made up of three persons. Just like the make up of the Atom. The Proton, netron, and electron make up one Atom. The God of the Bible is the same. The Father the Son, and the Holy Spirit, all make up one God.

    Islam does teach that infidels should be put to death and this is a common belief, consider the latest story coming out of Afghanistan reported by CNN.
    41 year old Abdul Rahman has many Western nations wondering if Afghanistan is regressing.
    Rahman, a father of two, was arrested last week and is now awaiting trial for rejecting Islam. He told local police, whom he approached on an unrelated matter, that he had converted to Christianity. Reports say he was carring a Bible at the time.
    They want to sentence me to death, and I accept it, "Rahman told reporters last week, "but I am not a deserter and not an infidel."
    The Afghan constitution, which is based on Sharia, or Islamic law, says that apostates can receieve the death penalty.

    And please don't tell me I'm off topic. It appears I'm only off topic when I speak the truth about Islam.

    You donot see this kind of nonsense in Christian countries, yet this is what comes out of Moslem nations, and all the time. So much for freedom of religion. And I don't have to go back hundreds of years to point out a misguided event by those who claimed to be Christians, and then broke every rule found in the Bible. The events that are happening today in the Moslem world are happening because these murders have the full support from the book you embrace. The chopping off of heads is incouraged in that book, and the founder of your faith actually particpated in such activities.

    I'm judging Islam based on it's writings, and on the people who follow them.
    And if the Jews had followed their language, they would of accepted Christ, but they did not, did they?

    And like the Crusaders who claimed to be Christians but murdered others, those who commit adultery are not Christians either. WHY? Because it was Jesus Christ who said, no MURDER or ADULTERS will enter the Kingdom of God.
    And I don't care how religious these people look, they are not following the Bible. Yet those who pratice murder in Islam for Islams sake according to your book, are justified in these murders. And that is why Abdul Rahman of Afghanistan is faceing death. Because of the Sharia, or Islamic law, apostates can receive the death penalty.
     
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    Dear campbell34

    Aisha Brown: the Trinity designates God as being three separate entities -- the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. If God is the Father and also the Son, He would then be the Father of Himself because He is His own Son. This is not exactly logical.
    Let's put this together in a different form: one person, God the Father + one person, God the Son, + one person, God the Holy Ghost = one person, God the What? Is this English or is this gibberish?
    1+1+1=1!

    Proton, neutron, and electron are three different elements, Do you mean that God the father, God the son, God the Holy Spirit, are three different Gods, yet they are one!!!!

    Exactly like the Bible law, that because the God of the Bible and Quraan is the same one that's why the law is the same too in many things.
    Deuteronomy 13. 2, 5: whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods…shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee. God doesn't want this creature to be alive anymore exactly like me when I decided to kill my computer in the above example.

    5- Deuteronomy 13. 6-9:If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die


    I already posted a thread about 2 free lessons to understand the meaning of (off topic and irrelevant) you can find it right here (NB: no fees)
    After reading the free lesson, here is a quiz,
    The title of the topic :What does John1:1 really say and mean in Greek?!
    Campbell's post :The Afghan constitution, which is based on Sharia, or Islamic law, says that apostates can receieve the death penalty.
    Is Campbell's post relevant or irrelevant? (Pls no cheat [​IMG])

    I guess, Paul is the first one who abolish the law

    Muslims' writings or anti-Muslims' writings?
    Judging on the people who follow Islam is very stupid, especially if they aren't practicing Islam.

    Some did some didn't, but Jews of this day shouldn't be blamed if the won't accept the Christ according to Christianity and the Current 4 Gospels, because the Gospels emphasize that Jesus was an imposter.

    VERY UGLY DOUBLE STANDARDS. [​IMG]
    And like the Muslim Terrorists who claimed to Practice Islam but murdered others, those who commit adultery are not real Muslims either. WHY? Because it was Muhammad the messenger of Allah (pbuh) who said click here for a summary And I don't care how religious these people look, they are not following the Quraan.
    ~~~

    Peace and love [​IMG]
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
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  14. campbell34

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    1 electron, plus 1 proton, plus 1 nutron, = 1 Atom.
    1 Father, plus 1 Holy Ghost, plus 1 Son, = 1 God.


    PLEASE show me where the Gospel emphasizes Jesus was an imposter. Here again you could only make a statement like this if you play with the worlds of the Gospel. Because a Billion people on earth can't see where you got that informantion.
     
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    Quranic verses that dictate beheading Kaffirs:

    5:33-"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution (by beheading), or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet oppsite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;"

    8:12-"I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off."

    9:123: "Oh ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers and let them find harshness in you"

    9:29-"Fight those who do not believe in God and the last day...and fight People of the Book,(Christian and Jews) who do not accept the religion of truth(Islam) until they pay tribute

    8:17- It is not ye who Slew them; it is God; when thou threwest a handful of dust, it was not Thy act, but God's...."(Allah is a real mercigful indeed!)

    THE ONE'S DOING THE KILLING ARE JUSTIFIED, BECAUSE THEY ARE SUPPORTED BY THE QURANIC VERSES. YOU HAVE COME TO THIS POST, AND TRY TO PAINT A PICTURE WHICH IS ACCEPTABLE TO THE WESTERN MIND SET. YET YOU CANNOT EVEN AGREE WITH THE WRITINGS OF ISLAM.

    According to the biography of Prophet Muhammad by Ibn Ishaq, Prophet Muhammad himself sanctioned the massacre of the Qurayza, a vanquished Jewish tribe mercilessly. Thus some 600 to 900 men from the Qurayza were lead on Muhammad"s order to the Market of Medina. Trenches were dug and the men were beheaded, and their decapitated corpses buried in the trenches while Muhammad watched in attendance.

    This is Islam, and this is why it is such a violent religion. Because it was founded in violence, and its followers will continue in this violence.

    In the Christian world we see Christians sending aid to Muslims effected by the Tsunami. And how do the Islamic leaders respond to this aid?
    Hasri Husan, a leader of the Islamic Defenders Front, a militant Muslim group that is operating a refugee camp in Banda Aceh, made his feelings clear. "We will chase down any Christian group that does anything beyond offering aid," he said before making a slahing motion across his throat.

    YOUR FAITH CAN JUSTIFY MURDER, AND THAT IS WHY YOUNG PEOPLE IN ISLAMIC COUNTRIES ARE WAITING IN LINES TO STRAP BOMBS ON THEMSELVES. BY KILL THEMSELVES WITH AMERICANS, OR JEWS THEY ARE PLEASING ALLAH. THE QURAN GUARANTEES PARADISE FOR THOSE WHO DIE FOR ALLAH. AND THEY ARE PLEASING ALLAH BECAUSE MOST AMERICANS AND JEWS ARE NON BELIEVERS OF THE MOSLEM FAITH.

    AND HOW DO WE KNOW THIS IS TRUE? BECAUSE YOU RELIGION STATES THIS IN THE QURANIC VERSES.

    "OH YE WHO BELIEVE! MURDER THOSE OF THE DISBELIEVERS AND LET THEM FIND HARSHNESS IN YOU."

    JESUS TELLS US YE SHALL KNOW THEM BY THEIR WORKS. I SEE CHRISTIANS WORKING TO BETTER MANKIND ALL OVER THE EARTH. AND WHEN I LOOK AT ISLAM, THERE ONLY CONTRIBUTION APPEARS TO BE, KILL THE INFIDELS.

    WHILE CHRISTIAN WOMAN ARE LOOKING HOW TO HELP THE DOWN AND OUT WE HAVE ISLAMIC WOMAN STATING, "We will stand covered by our veils and wrapped in our robes, weapons in hand, our children in our laps, with the Koran and the Sunna of the Prophet of Allah directing and guiding us. The blood of our husbands and the body parts of our children are the sacrifice by means of which we draw closer to Allah, so that through us, Allah will cause the Shahada for His sake to succeed.
     
  16. catstevens

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    Dear campbell34
    1- I can't call any of these three elements (electron, proton, neutron) an Atom! Electron is an atom, proton is an atom, and neutron is an atom [You call Jesus the son (God) and the Holy Spirit (God)]
    2- And they (electron, proton, neutron)aren't three but ONE è(Jesus, The Father and the Holy Spirit are three but ONE), plus, Proton, neutron, and electron are three different elements, so, Do you mean that God the father, God the son, God the Holy Spirit, are three different persons, yet they are one!!!!
    1- When did Jesus say I am God? Never.
    2- Which biblical verse says that the Holy Spirit (The angel) is God?
    [Please, don't mention verses which I already commented on them and don't discuss this issue with me here, it is off topic, but you can discuss John1:1, any other verse please do it there è Is God 1 or 3? ]
    Oh man! I already did? The following are links click on them, and discuss this issue there not here.
    They didn't listen to me nor read my threads, did they?
    Hmmm. This man insists to take off the topic! Well, short fast comments, (don't think I will comment always on you irrelevant posts)
    5:33-"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger….
    Well, what's the wrong over here? If they wage war on our prophet and God do you want us (Muslims) to turn our left cheek to them! If a killer burst into your house to kill your wife, will you give him another knife? O Come on! WE SHOULD DEFEND.
    Quraan: And fight in the Way of Allah those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allah likes not the transgressors.
    Quraan: But if they incline to peace, you also incline to it, and (put your) trust in Allah. Verily, He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower.
    Regarding 8:12 / 9:123 / 9:29 / 8:17 it emphasizes you utter ignorance, let me tell ya something in brief, let's take for example, verse 29 of chapter 9 [9:29]
    if you will read verse one of the chapter 9 you will find1:Freedom from (all) obligations (is declared) from Allah and his messenger to those ……etc , read obligations, this chapter is talking about a story happened at the time.
    There are other similar verses calling on Muslims to defend themselves. However, each one is likewise qualified and limited in scope they cannot be interpreted as giving a Muslim free license to kill anyone, anywhere, for whatever reason. Muslim scholars have analyzed these verses again and again, taking into account the scriptural and historical context of the revelation.These and other verses are discussed in the following online articles:
    Does the Qur'an Teach Violence?by Muzammil Siddiqi
    Open the above links (in purple color) and you will understand.
    I would like to tell you something to make you understand what I mean by Muslim scholars have analyzed these verses again and again, taking into account the scriptural and historical context of the revelation.
    The Quraan is the real word of Allah, which was delivered by the Angel Gabriel (Holy Spirit) to Muhammad, peace be upon him. Prophet Muhammad, PBUH, memorized the verses he received and recite them to his companions, who happened to be with him. He then ordered them to immediately write the verses down. The Quraan is the last Allah's Scriptures which Allah revealed in theinstallments over a period of twenty-three years. It is one of the fundamental sources of the Islamic teachings. Some of its surahs (chapters) and verses were revealed at Makkah, and the rest thereof were revealed at Madinah.
    More links
    It goes without saying dear, INDEED, DEFINITELY, ALLAH IS A REAL MERCIFUL.
    Glory (be) to Allah =)

    Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå Çááå
    (YOU HAVE COME TO THIS POST, AND TRY TO PAINT A PICTURE WHICH EMPHASIZED YOUR UTTER IGNORANCE ABOUT QURAAN AND ISLAM. YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND THE WRITINGS OF ISLAM AS LONG AS YOU ARE READING ABOUT ISLAM FROM ANTI_ISLAMIC WEBSITES, BOOKS, ARTICLES ETC. =)
    This is boring, (This is my response , click here ) it is only one thing read more, from fair sources,

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    Nah isn't funny
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    Hmmm
    I Continue in other post
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
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    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    Dear campbell34

    I think it is the best opportunity to send missionaries at the same time.
    In the Muslim world we see Muslims sending aid to whatever people effected by the Katrina.
    How do the whatever leaders respond to this aid?

    Regardless of who stated this, beyond offering aidè missionaries i.e. spreading BLASPHEMY!

    Spreading blasphemy by worshipping a man and an angel besides the father with no even a single proof, even from their current corrupted four Gospels.

    ONLY, YOU ARE THE BOSS OF LYING DUDE

    THE SAME TO MUSLIM WOMAN OPEN YOUR EYES =) I HAVE MANY DOCUMENTS, IMAGES FROM THE NEWSPAPER
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    DON'T TAKE OFF THE TOPIC, CALM DOWN, I KNOW, TRUTH IS HARSH TO MANY PEOPLE, NOT JUST TO YOU
    Have a nice, peaceful and faithful day =) (NB: avoid blasphemy)
    Best wishes
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    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
    Note: Silly, Irrelevant, and the like, responses, posts, comments will be ignored (it depends on my mood and time if I won't ignore them), taking off the topic is losers' style, ask yourself: will you write such response if the writer wasn't a Muslim!
     
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    JesusDiedForU Banned

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    "Do you mean that God the father, God the son, God the Holy Spirit, are three different persons, yet they are one!!!!"

    Exactly.... They all have their own different purpose. Yet they are one.
     
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    JesusDiedForU Banned

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    "1- When did Jesus say I am God? Never."

    That's a joke ... right?
     
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    JesusDiedForU Banned

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    "YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND THE WRITINGS OF ISLAM AS LONG AS YOU ARE READING ABOUT ISLAM FROM ANTI_ISLAMIC WEBSITES, BOOKS, ARTICLES ETC. =)"

    Yeah I can relate with that ; )
     

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