What gives you the most pride about being canadian?

*sighs* why do i waste my time.

Do you honestly need me to explain why saddam had to leave kuwait when the UN ordered him to evacuate?

*yawn* secrecy? what exactly are you talking about? You make some random vague statement about some supposed hypocracy and secrecy without going into ANY detail at all, and you expect me to know exactly what you are talking about? Expand on what you mean and lay out *FACTS(Not your opinion)* and i will address it.


I'll also point out that you have continually NOT answered my question, and if you dont answer this time, this will be the last message i write to you.

How is much of america's prosperity due to Canadians?

 

Wasting your time? Nice head buddy. You're the one here who avoids issues, keeps beating dead horses and all that. I've clearly explained my position and if you can't derive the appropriate response to your questions from that, then that's your problem. Well, that's the end of my message, so I guess I won't be having to deal with your bs anymore (no problem with that).

 

without reading a single post in here ill say it used to be how we didnt bother with the country boosterism -

i'll come back later when i'm not drunk.

 

Another winner post by Blackie...

 

OMG are you fucking retarted or something?? Megara has backed up everything he has said with actual facts and proof! You on the other hand have done nothing but avoid almost all the issues, resorted to insults, have not shown ANY actual proof of anything, simply continue to type out laughter and accuse him of being too arrogant to admit your right(yeah, THATS not arrogant!) when you are clearly wrong, seem to have no idea whatsoever of what you are talking about and are in general just being an ass. Seriously, the fucks your problem? are you like 12 or something?? Laugh and say you're right all you want, it DOESN'T make you right... Facts and proof do that, if you had them anyway...

 

Seriously, buddy, you need to learn how to read--he countered the assertion that the United States is imperialistic by claiming that Canada has been more imperialistic; when it was explained to him that Canada participated in only one conflict that can be deemed imperialistic--the Boer War--he claimed that he meant Canadians. When I acknowledged the fact that Canadians did enter the British military and hence did fight in imperialistic wars, however, then pointed out that this is not what he had originally meant, he then harped upon the fact that Canada sent troops to fight in the Boer War, although this in no way "proves" that Canada has been more imperialistic than the United States. The fact of the matter is that the United States has and continues to consuct itself in an imperialistic-like manner, by initiating wars in regions where it wants a controling interest and by establishing puppet regimes. Sorry, but Canada doesn't do such things. Now, seeing that you weren't able to derive this conclusion from my posts leads me to wonder whether you, in fact, are the 12 year-old "fucking retard".

 

What, no takers Blackie? Awwww... boo-hoo... poor Blackie...

 

Funny how you avoid the main purpose of what i said, you have shown no sources to prove anything that you have said, and accuse others who have backed up most everything they are claiming whith actual facts...
Besides i don't belive he was trying to say that america isn't imperialistic, simply that canada isn't innocent either. Seriously is any country innocent from being, or attempting to be imperialistic?
and as far as america supposedly censoring the text books and forcing the pledge on people, i'm sorry but your 'friend' is full of shit, of course the text books don't go over all wars, they are far too many, but they go over the relevant ones, for example the war of 1812 America didn't exactly win that, the whitehouse did get burned down by the british, but guess what? i learned about it in my american school!Plus you cannot be forced to say the pledge, they can't even make you stand up for it and that has been upheld by the US supreme court
oh and for blackie what gives me the most pride about being Canadian is when i kick the shit out of 'Paul Morphy
i'm not canadian, but.... oh well

 

lets look at WHAT I ACTUALLY SAID.

"Remember, your duty to the queen brought you into such great conflicts as the Anglo Boer war, really splendid job helping to install the precursor to the apartheid government of south africa. Canada the great the fighter of tyrants! You have no more credit in saying that than an american.

we all have mdae mistakes in war, make no mistake, canada's blunders and mistakes in war is just as long as americas. Just check the number of imperial ventures they fought in for mother england."


Now where did you get the idea i said canada was more imperialistic? I said you have made mistakes just as we have(there list of blunders is as long as ours, to be correct). Furthermore, i'll have you point out the big "THEY," When i said that, it was absolutely in reference to Canadians, so how did i change what i said? Unless you want to argue that i mistakingly said "THEY" instead of "CANADA, she, or it" i suggest you read what i say a bit closer.

So iasked you a question to clarify all this, which you chose TO IGNORE. Let me ask it again:

You spent a paragraph explaining how canada existed long before 1867 blah blah, so i asked, were the people who lived in canada before 1867 CANADIANS or british. IF they were canadians, they took part in war with great britian. If they were british, then please confirm that NO canadians fought in 1812(I know so many take great pleasure in saying they burned down our white house). You cant have it both ways.

I'll also ask another question which you have ignored continually:

How is much of America's prosperity due to CANADIANS? Remember, you claimed this.


As i said many times, this isnt a pissing contest. Every nation has its dirty laundry. To compare the wrong things which nations has done is silly. Thats like hitler arguing he is morally superior because he killed only 12 million while stalin killed 20 million+. It is a joke.

 

While i have no doubt you joined in on afghanistan to show solidarity, I hope you do know that your country was 100% obligated to help us after 9/11, since the US invoked aritcle 5 of NATO.

http://www.fas.org/man/nato/natodocs/treaty.htm

 

Sorry magera to break to argument, but seriously you think the states have good beer? i was over there a few years ago and went to several parties where alcohol was involved, highest percentage beer I ever saw was corona which is 6% and that's mexican. New Zealand as a average of 5.2% per beer and only 2-3% of our alcohol stocks are low beer like shitty miller lite and crap like that. And I agree with this post, canada is a beautiful country and seriously I would have loved to have been born there, so before ya go insulting them take a look at your own country. Oh before ya go on I was born in St Louis so I myself and an actual Americian.

 

i know a little about this, so i'll say something on it.



PR is right, the beers that are known as american beer are absolutely CRAP, budweiser, coors etc. Then again, most beer sucks.

But the question is. What makes the best beer? If its consistancy, then american beers win 100%(well budweiser). Budweiser tastes the same in every country, namely shit. If its highest degree of alcohol, no american beer can ever win. Every beer sold in the united states has to be under 5% alcohol, EVEN FOREIGN BEERS. Most american beers i've seen are like 4.5%. The Difference btween 4.5% and 5.2% is negligible. When you start talking about belgian beers that jump to 9%, then you're talking a serious jump, but i personally dont like any belgian beer, has a killer aftertaste.. If its taste, how can anyone judge that? thats like asking if pepperoni or sausage pizza is better. But pepperoni is better.

Anyways, as PR said, a lot of the good american beers are made in small microbreweries scattered across the country. Vermont especially has a lot of great little breweries that are as good as any beer in the world. Magic hat, most notably, is a good tasting beer that i'd drink any day.

Personally my favorite beer is Singha, its a thai beer that tastes the best IMO.

and yeah, canada is a beautiful country, it has some of the prettiest landscape in the world.

 

I think most Canadians were genuinely appauled at what happened on 9/11, but this quickly changed with Bush's bombast. In the end, Canada sent troops based on what happened on 9/11, not to support the United States. What cares about NATO and whatever obligation Canada supposedly has. NATO was established to defend against the Soviet Union. It should have come to an end in 1991. What it's become now is another means for the United States to garner support for its own agenda. My guess is that had some other country been attacked, and expected support from the US, it wouldn't have been forthcoming. International agreements are only acknowledged by the US when they suit its agenda. Thankfully, Canada refused to participate in Iraq, given that the US was breaking international law by invading, that was of course the right thing to do.

 

what on earth do you mean canada sent troops because of what happened on 9/11 and not to support the US??

What about the NATO bombing of kosovo? You had np breaking international law to participate in that war. Does canada go to war only when it benefits itself? hrmm

but nice way to continue ignoring 99% of my questions.

 

dude, would you drop it, you seriously don't have a clue about Canadian military history and forign policy so keep it to yourself

the NATO bombing of Kosovo was aproved by the UN security council, and how the hell did that benefit us? The fact that you would even insinuate Canada uses military action as a means of securing it's national interests beyod that of soverignty and greater global stability is just laughable.

Canada has gone to war, or on combative operations only 6, count em 6 times in our history and 2 of those ocassions were to come to the defence and aid of the British Empire because it was facing certain ANIALATION. Understandable when you consider the monarchy is our royal soverign and head of state and at the time we were primarily populated by british loyalists who democraticly elected and supported a loyalist government. The Boer war, what can I say, I personally don't think we should have been there but that was over a hundred years ago and like I said before this country, minus Quebec, was essentially a bunch of british loyalists with colonial mentalities. The other 3 times have been a result of other military treaties which obligated us to lend assistance to our allies.

http://www.adbusters.org/jams/history/flash.html

read this, think, reflect and then decide if you want to continue discussing the topic

 

what the hell are you talking about. Show me the UN resolution that gave NATO the go ahead to bomb kosovo. I'll give you a hint, its not there, Russia threatened to veto any intervention in the area, so blair and clinton went to nato and said fuck that and started anyways. AFTER Nato was already there, the UN gave them resolutions of peacekeeping outfits. NOT BEFORE

But please, find me the resolution from the UNSC authorizing NATO to bomb the country.


reply to your edit: I take it that you were wrong and unable to admit to your mistake. I have made no claims that the US history is a glorious past. Why dont you look why i brought up kosovo instead of trying to looking back to a dead debate.

 

let me post what your ambassador to yugoslavia said at the time.


"
2: An Illegal War

NATO's war in Kosovo was conducted without the approval of the United Nations Security Council. It was a violation of international law, the United Nations charter and its own article 1, which requires NATO to settle any international disputes by peaceful means and not to threaten or use force, "in any manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations."

Apologists for NATO including our own foreign and defence ministers try to avoid this issue by simply not mentioning it. There has been no attempt to explain why the United Nations Security Council was ignored. No effort to spell out under whose authority did NATO bomb Yugoslavia. The ministers and their officials continue to justify the air strikes on the grounds that the bombs were necessary to stop ethnic cleansing and atrocities, despite all the evidence that by far the bulk of the ethnic cleansing took place after the bombing not before it. It was the bombing that triggered off the worst of the ethnic cleansing. "


http://www.emperors-clothes.com/articles/bisset/bisset.htm

 

actually I made the edit to concede the fact that I feel the boer war is a blemish in our nations history

I was mistaken about Kosovo, my apologies, I was just going off the top of my head on the issue.

PS, I think your a dink and have no grasp of the Canadian mentality and rely far to heavily on google.com to support your contorted arguments

 

i'm sorry it bugs you that i rely on facts.

As i've said many times, i'm not trying to paint canada as a bad country, its a wonderful country. But there is no place for your country to stand on a pedestal and preach how it is free of dirty laundry.

 

SELECTIVE facts, which you then contort to support the elusive idea that we're a nation of self-serving, militeristic goons, FUCK the hypocrocy

christ, I still don't even understand what it is you're trying to proove, like what's your deal man? just piss off and keep paying your taxes so the US can continue to bomb the shit out of the world, because maybe they'll fucking bomb me and then I won't have to fucking listen to you

and there ya go, I've degenerated into that which I hate, a vulgar arogant nationalist, screw you and thank you for contributing to the world going to hell in a handbasket

fuck, we're all fucked

FUCK!!!

and it's offical, I have now lost all respect for myself

...there, contort that shit, bahaha, puck stops here