What If...

Deviate's comment was not a personal attack, KC.

It was just a barb. A little jab between friends, if you will.

Rubin's comments was a personal attack. They were very condescending and hostile.

Deviate's little barb does not even come close to Rubin's antagonisms.

 

that's PURELY a matter of perspective, isn't it, libertine? didn't i make EXACTLY the same argument before? should i give him the the benefit of the doubt? i would give your friends the benefit of the doubt. why won't you give it to mine?

 

Thanks & Bright Blessings to you too...

'May you be blessed with the strength of heaven,
The light of the sun and the radiance of the moon,
The splendor of fire,
The speed of lightning,
The swiftness of wind,
The depth of the sea,
The stability of earth,
and the firmness of rock.'

Saint Patrick

 

If you can honestly look at the two comments in the same exact vein, I would be surprised.

Rubin made a straight-forward ATTACK on me and my actions with NO clue to what he was saying (and this wasn't the first time).

Deviate made a joking little barb at you because of your near DEVOTIONARY admiration for a person whom he witnessed make unprovoked attacks against a thread and a poster promoting peace and love.

No comparison, KC.

 

What if everyone stopped arguing and being defensive over wanting the world to be a better place? I don't really understand this all and feel that the fight, and battle of egos has lost the point of the thread. And Libertine, you are just as much a cause of that as well. I do not deny that BSR comes off as an antogonist...but that is what he gets off on and if pricking you gives him a fight then he is going to do it. Everyone is right in their own minds so why fight with another's belief?

What if we learned to not take things personally?

That being said, I love the statements that you made. They are very beautiful....perhaps simplified as the cynics like to say....but life doesn't need to be so complicated. "Live simply so that others might simply live"

*cheers* to the sentiment.

 

all i can say is that i loved both of you and expected YOU to understand. i guess that you and i can't be compared, truly. we really are that different.

 

Thank you for your comments.

Yes, I have chosen to defend myself rather than hide, and the reason is because I am passionate about helping my fellow man and that means fighting against hostility.

It's not about my ego. If it was, I would have gotten into a big swearing contest with him instead of pointing out that hostility and antagonism goes against everything this thread WAS about -- until it was sabotaged.

But, you came along and attempted to put it back on the rails. Thank you. And bless you.

 

it's easy, so easy, to slide into anger and ego.

 

And I guess that's the way it is. I have no animosity or ill feelings toward you UNTIL the day that you become repetitively hostile for NO reason.

As I said, I've changed and I cannot allow "things to just go on" when someone can say "that's bullshit and needs to be stopped!"

Call a spade a spade. Rubin was out of line, derailed my thread and shit on my sentiment. I resent that type of behavior.

When people speak of tolerance, they don't mean tolerate EVERYTHING, the rule runs parallel with respect to humane qualities. And being repetitively hostile and/or condescending flies in the face of that.

I am DEFENDING those qualities and the meaning behind this thread.

 

your lovely thread WAS derailed. i'm sorry for that. i can't be soory for defending a youthful friend of long-standing to a more mature friend. my intentions, toward both you and deviate both, are not of the grudging sort. both of you have been people i appreciate here. i simply appreciate pavel's view as well. i think you guys are awesome. but i'm loyal until i'm proven wrong.

 

often while creating we are distracted by dis-sent...
how does one recognize the willingness/grace to co-create,
for it is not idle rhetoric which was sensed in your original post.

a reponse, being active, is the best defense to negativity.

 

KC, you should be loyal until proven wrong, but you should also call a spade a spade.

Rubin was out of line by the personal attacks.

I called him on it.

If I had personally Pearl Harbored someone, I'd hope you'd call me on it.

Would you?

 

I agree with you in what the world needs There needs to be more love and flowers. The cynicism is a defense against change within oneself. Its all good...I was there before too but the more that I learn and grow and age with wisdom and motherhood the better off I am.
When I was 20 something I would argue for arguements sake too. Hell I still do it...LOL. And I consider myself a peace loving hippie But I am learning when to let it go and when to defend.
I don't feel you need to defend your honor. you said what you did out of your heart. If people want to trample on that and make you argue your position, then its wasted energy that could be utilized on something more, something deeper.

My pleasure....I was excited to see your post. But you did post in random thoughts and you will get ridicule. I stopped posting here quite a bit ago because of the fighting....everyone wanting to prove themselves or their position.I would rather hear about life experiences and insights and joys or sorrows...I love sorrows but can't stand the "I hate the world" because to me each sorrow is a place to learn and live and grow.

Your post reminds me of "Imagine" by John Lennon. I am sure that he was ridiculed as well. I adore the song and well up each time I hear it.

Keep living your principles and being honorable. I respect that.

 

Sylvan, I agree with you.

But, also feel that during the past few months in my life of great change, that I struggle against my old nature to retaliate quick and with great force.

This is a struggle for me.

 

People like you give me great hope.

As I told Sylvan, it is a great struggle for me not to resort back to my old wily ways of quick and harsh retaliation.

And I think some of the old schoolers know that and want to test me.

The thread was not meant to be a sermon from me to others, but from love to all of us (especially me).

 

LOL, me too.

I am taking some classes right now and one of them is Interpersonal Communication. We learned the other day about primacy effect and how the first thing you learn sometimes leaves a very permanent branding on the mind. Like for example, the older people that have lost all of their senses and revert back to their childhood....talking to the ghosts of their past.

Or how when we are under stress we tend to behave in our learned behaviour. We try like a bitch to change and then something comes along that shakes us back to our rooted behaviour. So its human nature.


Oh, and by the way...Sylvan and I are partners. We have a blended family which we have worked really hard to integrate. We are getting married next year and we both work like hell to do our place in the world. Even though our egos get in the way as well But that's life. We are lucky to have one another.

 

Who doesn't want to be understood, or at least not attacked?


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'It doesn't interest me what you do for a living. I want to know what you ache for, and if you dare to dream of meeting your heart's longing.

It doesn't interest me how old you are. I want to know if you will risk looking like a fool for love, for your dream, for the adventure of being alive.

It doesn't interest me what planets are squaring your moon. I want to know if you have touched the center of your own sorrow, if you have been opened by life's betrayals or have become shriveled and closed from fear of further pain! I want to know if you can sit with pain, mine or your own, without moving to hide it or fade it, or fix it.

I want to know if you can be with joy, mine or your own, if you can dance with wildness and let the ecstasy fill you to the tips of your fingers and toes without cautioning us to be careful, to be realistic, to remember the limitations of being human.

It doesn't interest me if the story you are telling me is true. I want to know if you can disappoint another to be true to yourself; if you can bear the accusation of betrayal and not betray your own soul; if you can be faithlessand therefore trustworthy.

I want to know if you can see beauty even when it's not pretty, every day,and if you can source your own life from its presence.

I want to know if you can live with failure, yours and mine, and still stand on the edge of the lake and shout to the silver of the full moon, “Yes!”

It doesn't interest me to know where you live or how much money you have.

I want to know if you can get up, after the night of grief and despair, weary and bruised to the bone, and do what needs to be done to feed the children.

It doesn't interest me who you know or how you came to be here. I want to know if you will stand in the center of the fire with me and not shrink back.

It doesn't interest me where or what or with whom you have studied. I want to know what sustains you, from the inside, when all else falls away.

I want to know if you can be alone with yourself and if you truly like the company you keep in the empty moments.'

by:Oriah Mountain Dreamer

 

If you had known the "old" Libertine (you may have, KC sure did) then you would probably be stunned at my behavior now.

In the old days, I would've tried to destroy and humiliate these cynics, but so much has changed since then and I have been awakened to many things.

I wept for the first time in a long, long, long time.

I felt genuine love and compassion for the faces of humankind.

I lost myself in the beauty of nature while the music played on.

I embraced what I'd fought against embracing for so long.

And now, it kills me to see what is going on around me and it depresses me to watch others make a mockery of peace and love while defending all the cynicism.

 

i don't know that i would. because everyone goes through an awful time, a tired time, and angry time, or just a bad day. and while i respect you being angry and will never hold a grudge about it, i see some hypocrisy in your stance and your arguments. i've done it often enough, i can't call a spade a spade, because i'm a spade. i don't have that detached mentality. i've done it SO OFTEN, so recently, that if people had given up on me, i might not have been here. bsr is likely not so weak, but he was there when i needed someone, whether he knows the impact or not, and i can't back down off of that. he's SHOWN TO ME that he's worth the effort and tolerance. i'd give him the same tolerance if you came to me with the same story. i don't give up on anyone so easily.

 

i appreciate the fight, lib. i fully do. because anything worth existing is worth fighting for. but i think you're conceding defeat too quickly with the young cynics, of whom BSR is a perfect example. i was a young cynic, too. now, i'm not quite so cynical. that's gotta be worth something, right?