What is False Flag terrorism?

Shoc, you're a lost cause. Go back to your video games and baseball cards. Please.

Grim, if you listen to the neo-cons talk about the terrorists, you might notice that they always seem to know the most intimate details about their inner-psychology. How is that possible from such elusive cave-dwellers? In my opinion the neo-cons are knowingly describing themselves. They KNOW that they are the real terrorists and they gloat in it without directly revealing it. They are the ultimate sociopaths.

 

"Dude your facts and statements are total lies and bullshit you get from wacko web sites and nutty authors. Sure there are people calling for new 911 studies but none of those studies have shit to do with your crazy conspiracy theories that our goverment had a helping hand in the attacks."----- But if everybody buys the governments story then why are so many people calling for new investigations???

"I never ounce heard this crap brought up on any cable news channel never. Please the next time its on let me know."----So, you are listening to mainstream news? No wonder. And they DO occasionally bring it up, even if to do what you are doing, trying to discredit anything but the "official" story.

"I mean something like that on the news would make Michael Moores crazy claims and lies look like the word of GOD. I really hope your just a person who likes to be different and hates the U.S and trys every thing to make them look bad but you really don't believe this far out crap you say. ? If you really believe this stuff I do feel for you man."------WE don't HAVE to try to "make them look bad", they do this very well on their own.
And why feel sorry for someone who has the insight and intelligence to question something questionable? I STILL don't know whare you get this stuff about people PRETENDING to believe this just to be COOL??? That makes NO SENSE at all.

"I can just imagine some of the other shit you believe ?I can see what you are like now. I bet you are one of those people who think the CIA is trying to tap into your mind from satellites in space .You probably think that every phone is taped you talk on. That hidden cameras are watching you all the time where ever you go.That your Neihbors are all goverment agents trying to stop you from spreading the word of the real 911. It would not surprise me at all if you believed some of that shit. The only thing that thoughts like yours are good for is a good movie or a show like the X-Files thats about all."-----And now we are back to "You are a stupid idiot because you do not look at things just like I do." Yes, and Elvis hangs with John Lennon at MY house once a week. Yawn.

WHY do you suppose people feel the need to attack others like this? (I know why) The dude's not just debating ideas, he feels the need to personally insult anyone who thinks differently than him.

In my travels, I find A LOT of people who feel 9-11 was pretty fishy. They are not all "nut jobs", they are not all "leftwing wackos", they are just folks. Lots of them. I find even MORE people who dislike and distrust our government in general, something like 90% of those I'm around who just happen to get into that conversation. Even total strangers, like one of the checkout guys at Wallyworld, or the lady who works at the insurance office, or the electric meter guy, or the dude who owns the local car towing place........ Everybody's complaining about this ridiculous excuse for a government, and I don't need to even bring the subject up!!!! People just FALL into these conversations constantly. WHY would so MANY people be so fed up with the government to the point where they are not afraid to talk politics with strangers, if things were just OK? They are ALL just trying to be "cool"??? Give me a break.

I guess we all know there are folks out there who just have ISSUES and feel the need to disrupt for some reason. But when they finally GET TO YO and yo start arguing with their EGO's, well, ya may as well give up, because that kind of person isn't interested in any real dialogue. They just want you to see what a huge DICK they have...

" Buy the way what happend to that nut that the Far left loved to parade in front of cameras Cindy Sheehan ?"----She's running for office. 'Course you'd know that if you were paying attention.

 

Expose you've just got PWNED.

Why does it take so many lies to "expose the truth"?

 

Why is it that the majority of the 09/11 hijackers were Saudis yet Saudi Arabia isn't part of the terrorist movement or seen as a threat? Why is it we haven't smoked out Bin Laden?

Thousands of lives lost, trillions spent...why no answers six years later?

Yet this happened?

http://www.stpetersburgtimes.com/2002/03/13/Worldandnation/Dead_terrorists_earn_.shtml

Some of us still want to know why.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/09/us-saudis-still.html

 

Yet we should fear Syria, Iran and Hamas in Lebanon. Shouldn't we track and control the main source of terrorism?

SAUDI ARABIA!

 

earthmother I bet you do find people all the time who agree with your thoughts on 911 in your travels. To bad most of your travels are with burn outs, tree huggers, and and far left nuts that no one gives to shits about what they say to begin with, In the real World people don't talk about this crap at all. The only times its talk about is to point out what nut Jobs you people are and how funny its is that you hate america so much you will resort to saying The U.S goveremnt killed its own citizens. Its only a Idea that poped up on the conspiracy theroist Web Sites and far far left Forums. Even 99% of war activist and people who hate the Bush white house think your claims are down right nuts and don't want to be associated with people like you because they no it will hurt there cause. You are such a small minority and whats funny is 75% of you don't believe in what you say in the first place you just love to find any way to make the U.S look bad. Buy the Way I hope you are out there helping Cindy Sheehan run for Congreess she needs all the help she can get in more then one way. I wish her son could see how much she has hurt his Beloved Marine Core, He was a proud Marine who died for his country.He is probably rolling over in his grave as we speak. He was a Brave Marine who gave his life so nut Jobs like you and your frinds can freely talk about how much you hate this country. You are so lucky you live hear you don't even understand how lucky you are ?

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I like Cindy Sheehan. I'll vote for her if given the chance. Want to talk to my questions Shocbomb? Her son probably knew the truth before he died. He probably didn't see himself as a hero or a brave warrior, he probably saw the truth. He probably saw himself as a pawn used by corporate powers.

He probably wondered why Saudi Arabia was given a pass.

 

He probably wonders why our country sent a letter to renew the visa of an acknowledged terrorist.

 

Gardener we don't agree on much at all But I do agree with you that Saudi Arabia should be heled way more accountable, It does make me sick how we give them a free pass time and time again.

 

And who's responsible for that? Is it our "smoke em out" president and his administration?

 

Yes it is gardener. Bush has failed the american people Miserbly when it comes to his dealings with the saudi's. They still teach there school children to hate america you should see the text books they study about how america is evil and should be attacked. they apease the terrorist all the time, Saudi Arabia wants the best of bolth worlds they want the oil contracts with America and the backing of the U.S goveremnt, They love having the U.S military as protection. But they also want to make the islamic fanaticals happpy so they let them spread the word of hate towards the west.They let them set up Businesses that finance terrorism and radicalism across the World. And the sad part is we say nothing at all and just turn a blind eye. Until something is done Saudi Arabia will be the biggest breading ground for terrorist and radicals for years to come !!!!

 

I assume you're trying to say "owned". Spellcheck goes a long way.

And if I've been "owned", as I assume you're attempting to say, then why do so many on the planet disagree with you? Why are there 10s of millions (and growing) now who question the official government conspiracy theory?

Why do you waste our time?

 

Ha, there he goes again with his psychic-like assumptions! Shoc, can you tell me what kind of people I'm going to meet during my next summer's roadtrip to Florida?!! And by the way, someone DOES give two shits about what they say: the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, scumbag.

Yet again, you prove nothing other than what an ignorant little worm you are. You need to seriously give it up.

There he goes again with his psychic abilities!! Have you INTERVIEWED at least 75% of the 9/11 truth movement...which is GLOBAL??

Have you yet attained the balls to watch 9/11: Press for Truth? I'm sure you have not. Either way, here's the link: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3979568779414136481&q=9%2F11+press+for+truth&total=259&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=5

By the way, you best keep your opinions on Cindy Sheehan and her son to yourself. You might make someone very very angry.

Everyone check out this debate that took place on Air America Radio the other day. Especially listen to the caller (39 minutes into it) who brings up some valuable points. I dare Shoc to get into a debate with someone like that. It's 45 minutes altogether.

http://media.putfile.com/Commercial-Free-Thom-Hartman-911-Debate-Ryan-vs-Shermermp3

 

If you want to debate, then why not bring up something that can't be shot down with 30 seconds of research? You are going on and on about how you are for "truth" and people who disagree with you don't want the truth, but you aren't actually saying anything to back up the conspiracy except this crap about people in caves and boxcutters (which was debunked), and then you posted a bunch of polls which don't say what you claim they do.

This is how conspiracy theorists work. They tell lie after lie after lie, and no matter how many lies you expose, they pretend it somehow doesn't matter that they got busted and they just lie again.

Liars for truth. Its a strangle little cult.

 

Take your snakeoil back too the mind trip>conspiracies forum, where it belongs.

 

What a comeback!

 

May I remind you that you don't know me and so everything you say about me is simply a smoke screen, and if you DO know me, you are probably one of those trolls that posts on my blog from time to time.
May I also point out that you are being extremely repetative in your ignorance?

I would consider myself lucky at this point in time to be able to LEAVE this country and go someplace else where I would feel SAFER from my own government. It simply is not that easy, however we DO have some future plans we have been discussing about the possibiities of finding a way to GET THE HELL OUT if things do not improve.

I am uncertain as to what YOUR real world may contain, as I apparently have never been there. (of course, nobody ever accused West Virginia of being the "real world".) You have ignored everything I have said to you so that you can pretend you know everything, when in fact you obviously know very little about the subject at hand. You DO know all the arguements, however shallow, that people sometimes use to try to discount what, by all indications, is actually very close to the TRUTH.

At this juncture, I'm going to do what you do, and GUESS that you are or were a marine? Probably these days one of the LEAST honorable professions around. IN MY OPINION.

I and all the others you don't agree with have a RIGHT TO OUR OPINIONS, regardless of what you think. We are NOT playing lets pretend here as you so incessantly repeat for lack of any better arguement. We are not simply trying to be cool, as I have stated to you SEVERAL times, so let's drop that arguement, shall we? YOU are a problem. It is people like YOU who keep this thing from coming to rest. It is people like you who keep the war mentality going. It is people like you who help to keep CRIMINALS and the mentally deranged in power.

Those of us who wish for TRUTH and CLOSURE do not appreciate people like you who do absolutely NOTHING towards these goals. All you are capable of is RUNNING YOUR MOUTH and AGRIVATING people who are trying to accomplish something. What are YOU trying to accomplish????

I think that people who are INTERESTED and ACTIVE in the politics of the USA, and who are calling for better investigations of 9-11, and calling for removal of the current people in power are the people who will SAVE this country if it can BE saved. But people who behave as you do are the ones who are bringing this country (and the world) DOWN. Doesn't THAT make you feel special?

 

"Conspiracy Theorists"... So, there are a lot of different theories out there, including the "official" ones. Who is right? NOBODY KNOWS!!!!!! THAT is why those of us who CARE are so adamant about NEW INVESTIGATIONS! It comes down to that. Either you give a shit or you don't. Either you can sweep it aside or you can't. Period. We are ALL "conspiracy theorists"!!!!!! Because no matter WHO did the deed, there was a conspiracy BY SOMEONE to get it done. Even your PATENT idea of "conspiracy theorists" don't agree as to what happened. That's because we DON'T KNOW! But we WANT to, and if there are no independent investigations we NEVER WILL.
9-11 is one of the most IMPORTANT things that has happened to the US in current history. It effects EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US. There can NOT be TOO MUCH investigation into this! The more the better! There are too many questions and loose ends. WHAT WILL IT HURT to keep this investigation going????? Somebody's ego?

 

I agree, time find out the truth. If the Saudis were responsible why didn't we go to war against them? Instead we are wasting money and lives on a tyrannt that was controlled before we occuppied and disrupted Iraq. Now it's a mess that generations will have to sacrifice for. Bin Laden is no longer seen as a threat by this country but most of the middle east has been added to the "axis of terror". What exactly is a terrorist, I've been asking that question since 09/11. No one has a definition, they only like to add to the list.

 

Bin Laden is holed up in Pakistan, and look at what the state of Pakistan is today. Someone tell me what the progress in this war on terrorism has been?