What Is Heaven Like?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bKW7JkHKm8

 

Good one.

But to me personally it involves a little meat and drink too (especially when heaven is on earth )

 

Heaven is where Essendon wins every game by 10 goals, and every Premiership by 12 goals.

SIGH!

 

If we aren't going to have meat and drink then I don't want to go.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rYRsJK8ibg

 

But of course!

 

to me, that sounds a whole lot like saying smoke and mirrors.
my "understanding", is that anyone's "scriptures" don't have a whole heck of a lot to do with it.

i have some pretty solid ideas about what i'd LIKE a heaven to be, but i don't expect whatever exists to care very much what they are, or have a whole lot of reason to do so.

no pain, because there's nothing for pain to protect you from injuring. no hunger, because there's nothing that needs to be fed, and no fatigue, because again, no body to need it.
but an endless mountainous forest to never get bored with exploring. gold streets and mansions are boring and who needs them. having to always be in the presence of anything is annoying too.

meeting someone once in a while when you feel like it is ok too, but all the time, is no good at all.

being able to make things, as interesting and convoluted as nature itself, that would be fun and good.

but eternity? why would death be any more eternal then life?

would life even exist if it were?

and if we are only imagining we exist, what is doing the imagining?

 

I like your idea of heaven , and it's how I understand it to be too, it will be upon earth. . .being built like a mustard seed (the smallest seed) and growing into the biggest plant. It taking time of coruse. THat is the wisdom of the most High.

According to my understanding, death is not forever...I mean our first death. When we "die" we go to back to the earth and then we will all be resurrected when the day comes....We are just "asleep" in the ground until that day. BUT, the second death is forever, like you will cease to exist...kinda trippy.

The concept of burning forever in a continuous lake of fire, being tormented beyond belief is again, not scriptural, and is of Babylonian, Greco/Roman origin. In other words, a pagan belief biased out of mans heart.


Yeah, peace my good brother

 

You know how you can taste pizza or chocolate cake? How you can feel hot or cold? Feel Pleasure or sense Joy?

Now try to imagine being able to feel LOVE. Like a 7th sense. Really physically feeling it. Feeling loud and clear Love. From one person. Totally! Now think of LOVE from many people all at once. WOW!

Like a hot wind blowing on you. Like ocean waves. Like a waterfall.

This seems to be one of the consistent things that we hear about over and over again from those people who have near death expediences. Feeling overwhelming Love.



Just an idea for you guys to kick around. Have FUN.

 

not a planet, but something more like a parallel universe, that our sojourn in, if it even exists at all, is no more eternal, then what we experience as living.

in which each person, and that includes possibly all living things, experience, precisely as they individually expect to.

thus being also "hell" for those who expect to experience that.

 

well thank you of course. but i don't believe we sleep in the ground. that's just a bunch of chemistry that no longer has anything to do with us. if we're anywhere between death and our next life, its in a kind of parallel universe. as for the lives that follow, they are just lives like this one, each one on some world, a random chance as to which one out of billions. an infant in a world as alien to us, as this one was when we were born into it. the concept of a simultaneous resurrection seems unlikely in the extreme. as for the point of that, i don't believe there needs to be any. there is kharma of course, which simply means we can't expect life to treat us any better then we treat it, and if it doesn't catch up with us in this life, it very well may in some other. or between lives, if there is such a thing as between lives. no reason there couldn't be. no reason there would have to either.

you're right of course about what christians think they know about experience after death, comes not from their own bible, but largely from something that was written as a satire of christiany, called the divine comedy.

 

Insha Allah



Thanks for that Guerrilla, I haven't heard of this guy before and that clip was 5 different kinds of hilarious

 

I think of course, the way I have come to learn, is that mainstream Christianity or Western Christianity does not "own" the bible (I understand that you did not really apply that world literally)....Allow me to share my understandings even though you did not ask for it...a few things to keep in mind when talking about Christianity with me.

-The so called old testament is a record of a nation, its history and their "constitution" or law, governing everything...just like the other nations have theirs. You know of course this nation is Israel.

-Now, who is true Israel both now and then is for another time (but the converts in the land today are not the people of the book) nor is Judaism biblical, like Islam is not nor mainstream Christianity.

-The so called new testament bares witness of the Messiah and the expansion of the body of God after his death, told in letters of Paul and the book of actions of the apostles or Acts...

the Apostles went to the Gentiles in Rome and all over. It is in Rome where the truth was brutally oppressed, because it challenged and threated Roman sensibilities ($$$) ...over time the true way was diluted by the mainstream exceptions and they soon practice of "the way" in a tainted way....this way became infused by their paganism, we see it today and know it today as (mainstream) Christianty. Eventually a corrupt religion becoming the state religion of the whole Roman Empire and world in the dark ages....

Today, on all street corners you see churches everywhere, on TV, in universities...all this is the pagan Christianity. Though they use the scriptures, they use them to their own destruction, creating a religion out of them mostly on quotes from letters Paul wrote to the early body of believers.... and do not know the understandings that within. You would have to ask questions, because it's vast and deep what is said here....

Not that I know it all, but this some things worth considering when thinking about the truth of the scriptures and what Western Christianity has done to confuse many.

A mistake many non believers make is that they too understand scriptures.

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also what can you tell me about this divine comedy? I never heard of it...I don't think I have...

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_Comedy

It's where the imaginings of what heaven and hell in particular were solidified for the christian world. It's a great read, though difficult.

So question: Was there a person named Jesus Christ who performed miracles, returned from the dead, is the son of god, and will one day return to earth to destroy it and all nonbelievers with it?

 

Maybe it's only for vegetarians. Some would say so.

 

The Divine Comedy is a great piece of writing IMO, even though the belief system that underpins it is deplorable, including the items in your question.

Inferno and Purgatory and a much better read then Paradise in Dante, which is rather dull.

It's the same with a lot of Italian renaissance art - the art is great but the subject matter is often religious. That doesn't take away from the mastery of those artists though.

 

It's interesting that both in this book and in other art of this form, the descriptions of hell are much richer, more interesting, and more vivid than the descriptions of heaven.

 

It probably indicates something about the psychology of people back when those texts were written. I am not sure exactly what.

Also in the case of Dante, he really used a model of hell that was derived from Greek mythology.He had a foundation to build on. There was no corresponding Hellenic model for any kind of 'heaven' that would have been acceptable to Christians. Olympus with it's scheming and intriguing gods was a long way from the Christian paradise.

Many people regard Dante and Milton as the 2 greatest Christian poets. And it's interesting that in Milton's Paradise Lost, the writing about Satan is by far the most powerful. Probably the same general syndrome.