What is the Universe?

I think it is relevant to state that the universe is real, that there is an objective nature to things, if there is not, then we make it all up individually. If it is so that we make it all up individually, then it is remarkable that that our individual choices make up a consensual or commonly beheld reality. We all see the same earth and sky and we can talk about it with each other.

 

^ what about the blind ehhhh.... Think about that before sweeping generalizations are made.

...I agree with most of what you said.

 

We all see the earth and sky is a metaphor for our mutual regard of the world. I appreciate your point. I could say we all have common names for phenomena.

 

Common names for our meatsacks.

 

Grocery bags, exactly!

 

did you know that there are more stars in the universe than there are grains of sand on earth

 

When did you count them?

 

Don't know,but it's a big motherfucker. Maybe when the sun expands and/or burns out,microscopic pieces of living matter from earth will scatter vast distances and alight upon another earth-like planet somewhere,take hold and begin to evolve into life where there was none. Maybe that's how everything here got started. And it goes on and on. Maybe. Possible?

 

Oh yeah? Well what does d-block mean? :coffee:

 

hmmm... I want to agree with you but I'm finding it difficult to rationalize the concept the idea that somehow social animals like us agree on a consensual reality therefore there must be objective reality to the universe. Its seemingly a giant stretch in logic but perhaps I'm not understanding you correctly.

To me the idea of claiming any sort of objective nature to the universe maybe besides the fact it exists is difficult for me to rationalize. I don't see how you can claim truth to something that is constantly expanding and changing.

this example may fall short but I'll attempt it anyways and I think the point will get across although not stated the best, and keep my last paragraph in mind: if you were to ask someone "describe a reptile on earth?" well I think the majority of the people would say "they are most small cold blooded creatures, most with tails, etc." what if humans were around 100 million years ago to be asked that question?

This is just an example and I think alot of the nature of the universe goes beyond the abilities of human rationalization and conceptualization. really we are only given so much brain power and efficiency to work as a small segment of this planet, making a claim to an objective nature of the universe seems pretty arrogant to me.

 

Subjective=what you perceive.
Objective=what is.

 

Ok so what is then? If its constantly expanding isnt what is completely different then from when you posted this?

 

Continuum,I suppose. All is change. We're just riden' 'er out until the big one.

 

I'm curious, why you would want to agree?
When I think of what is, I consider reality to be emergent, in a constant state of becoming. I consider that this becoming operates according to natural laws or principles. We ourselves as biological entities operate within a certain bandwidth of perception you could say hovering around 98.6 on the dial. We do not see every available intensity of light. We do not hear ultra sonic frequencies, etc., however they are all around if we could perceive.

 

I read a lot of conversations on this forum and think... why don't we just sit in a circle and jerk eachother off?

And That... is the univerce. Deep as hysterectimied pussy, I know.

 

It is not the best question in the world, I agree, and there is no appreciable difference between jacking off and jerking off.

 

I want to agree with you because...

I do agree with you after the first sentence. What I am having trouble with may just be a problem with subjective interpretation or perhaps I am understanding you right and I disagree, maybe expand like the universe on that first sentence.

In regards to the rest, yes we do operate within a bandwith, so lacking the ability to see infrared or hear ultra sonic frequencies how we gonna make claims to what is in and of the universe? we don't even possess or have access to all the perceptions and frequencies on our own planet.

 

this is where I store my nuts.. of course its an alternate universe where the aliens can recover my clones and create multiple parallel universesesesessss.. :coffee:

 

I suggest that there is an objective nature, but I suggest that if there is not, then it is remarkable that our imaginations are so akin that we create the same illusion to the extent that we can make and keep appointments.

What is hidden? We can refine and extend the senses through technological devices. We can also refine and extend the senses through practice.
I think that we can make some definitive statements about reality.
It is non local nor remote, this means there is no place that is any more real than any other and no where reality is absent. What any one individual can behold with the physical eye is a corridor of refraction, a small slice of reality bound by our own peripheral parameters. Any conceptual universe itself would be one of these corridors. All this would be totally subjective if it were not for consensus. This is a round about way of saying it, but it takes all kinds, all descriptions, all forms to make a complete statement of reality, but that statement is all together real.

 

Wow, after reading my 2 drunk replies today.. I sounded like a Jew