What Makes A God?

The Sun and Moon have a direct effect on us every day of our lives, and we aren't on the moon and sun either. This point is meaningless. You are also feeling that everything is essentially separate. Everything in the Universe is One, and it doesn't stop at the moon and sun in regards to the effects it has on us.

 

That's the feeling I get from Neptune instinctually. It is conjunct with the sun and moon in my astrological chart, so maybe I am the person we're speaking of with a deep connection to it.

 

:wall: <<<< Mr. Writer

 

I don't think you can technically experience something that isn't real. It's just a matter of clarity as to what you are actually experiencing.

 

Advaita is a wonderful concept, but it's also not very useful if you don't recognise a tangible difference between things. This is why mint is different to chilli, and why sitting on Earth thinking about being on Neptune is not actually being on Neptune. The egoic separation is real and quite useful, it adds variety.

The uncovery that rivalled the brutality of the raw beauty of the whole "we are one" thing is actually the removal of what that uncovery implied for me, that individualism was a bad thing. That one went deep for me. A misunderstanding that's rife among the "new age", so deeply ingrained in the culture. It's surfacing though, from decades and possibly centuries of repression.

Said Chinacat's inflated ego, as he separated himself and looked down bitterly at his fellow explorer.

I see what you did there! I like it

 

It is not clear from what you have written what the misunderstanding is that is entertained by the new age?

 

How would you characterize it?

 

that's how I read it

 

I think I have it figured out. What makes a God?

you take a little sugar and spice and everything nice and.......SHIT!!, that's how you make little girls....


ok, ok, this has to be it,
a few snips and snails, a couple of puppy dog tails and....CRAP!!, that's the recipe for little boys!


I know I have that recipe around here somewhere..........


I'll have to get back to ya on that.......


where the hell did I put that?
I had it yesterday at the store and then when I got home I...........

 

and now for something a little different yet the same;

Some fundamental ideas from the Law of One Material
The One Infinite Creator
The Law of One states that there is only one, and that one is the Infinite Creator (4.20), which Ra also calls “Infinite Intelligence” and “Intelligent Infinity.” It is impossible to describe the “one undifferentiated intelligent infinity, unpolarized, full and whole,” but It can be activated or potentiated (28.1). Each portion of the creation contains, paradoxically, the whole (13.13).

Illusion
Since all is one, all manifestation, or appearance of many-ness, is an illusion (1.6, 106.23). According to Ra, it is an illusion carefully engineered in order to give the Creator the opportunity to know Itself (27.17).

Distortion
In Ra’s terms, “distortion” is anything that moves away from undistorted unity. This can be either what we would consider “good” (distortion toward love) or “bad” (distortion towards ill health). There are three fundamental distortions of Infinite Intelligence:
The First Distortion
The first distortion is free will, or finity, or the limit of the viewpoint (13.12, 15.21, 99.5). The created universe that we experience is the Creator’s exploration of Itself through the first distortion, which Ra also calls the Law of Confusion (27.10).
The Second Distortion
The second distortion is Love, or the Logos, or the Creative Principle (15.21). It is “the focus, the choice of attack, the type of energy of an extremely, shall we say, high order which causes intelligent energy to be formed from the potential of intelligent infinity in just such and such a way.” (27.12) A Logos can create a single star system or it can create a galaxy with billions of star systems (28.7). Each galaxy has its own system of natural laws (13.13) and, I believe, its own “cosmic mind” (91.2). Ra says that some of its members have wandered to the creations of other Logoi, and that “[t]he experience has been one which staggers the intellectual and intuitive capacities.” (90.17) In the case of galactic systems, the first physical manifestation of a Logos is a cluster of central systems (82.8).
The Third Distortion
The third distortion is light (15.21). It is the first manifestation visible to the eye (78.9). Light is intelligent, full of energy, and the building block of what we call matter (13.9). Light’s characteristics include “the infinite whole paradoxically described by the straight line.” Ra says that “[t]his paradox is responsible for the shape of the various physical illusion entities you call solar systems, galaxies, and planets, all revolving and tending towards the lenticular.” (13.9). Light energy has an upward spiraling characteristic which impels evolution. (13.17).

Sub-Logoi
Our galaxy was created by a single Logos (28.9) and our sun is a sub-Logos of that Logos (29.1) A sub-Logos individualizes or differentiates the natural laws set up by its Logos (13.13, 29.2). It also refines the cosmic mind into its specific archetypical mind, informed by the experience of earlier sub-Logoi (81.33, 91.3).
Sub-Sub-Logoi
Humans are an example of sub-sub-Logoi (29.7).


Densities
The creation has seven levels, or densities; the eighth density forming the first density of the next octave of experience, just as the eighth note of a musical scale begins a new octave (16.51, 28.15). Between seventh and eight densities the creation re-merges in a period of timeless, formless unity with the Creator (28.16). It is Ra’s understanding that “the ways of the octave are without time; that is, there are seven densities in each creation infinitely.” They point out, though, that the limits of their knowledge are narrow (78.15).

• First density is the density of awareness, in which the planet moves out of the timeless state into physical manifestation. Its elements are earth, air, water, and fire (13.16). On earth, after matter had coalesced and space/time had begun to “unroll its scroll of livingness” (29.11), first density took about two billion years (76.13)
• Second density is the density of growth, in which what we call biological life emerges and evolves into greater and greater complexity (9.13). Second density on earth took about 4.6 billion years (76.13).
• Third density is the density of self-awareness and the first density of consciousness of the spirit (13.21). It is the “axis upon which the creation turns” because in it entities choose the way (either service to others or service to self) in which they will further their evolution toward the Creator (76.16). Third density is much shorter than the other densities, taking only 75,000 years (6.15).
• Fourth density is the density of love or understanding. Those who have successfully chosen a path come together with others of like mind in what Ra calls a “social memory complex” in order to pursue that path, either loving self or loving others (20.36, 48.6). Fourth density lasts approximately 30 million years; fourth-density lifespans are approximately 90 thousand years (43.13, 43.11).
• Fifth density is the density of light or wisdom (25.11). Lessons are often learned individually rather than as a social memory complex (43.14). Fifth-density entities are beautiful, by our standards, because they can consciously shape their physical forms (62.21, 90.5)
• Sixth density is the density of unity, in which love and wisdom are blended together (33.20). The two paths reunite as those on the service-to-self path, realizing that they cannot successfully master the lessons of unity without opening their hearts to others, switch their polarity to positive (78.25). Ra is sixth-density; their sixth-density cycle is 75 million years (14.19, 14.21).
• Seventh density is the gateway density, in which we once again become one with all (16.22). It is “a density of completion and the turning towards timelessness or foreverness.” (41.16)
• Eighth density is also the beginning of the first density of the next Creation (28.15). It is “both omega and alpha, the spiritual mass of the infinite universes becoming one central sun or Creator once again. Then is born a new universe, a new infinity, a new Logos which incorporates all that the Creator has experienced of Itself.” (52.12)

 

It is useful if you don't recognize a tangible difference between things. Everything is linked somehow, through the subjective experience of "you", but just because you don't officially recognize a tangible difference between things, in a certain way, doesn't really change anything. Things aren't suddenly in their wrong places, changing into mind-bending patterns of swirling color and sound. You can't say there's any difference between advaita and the regular world, any more than you can say there's a difference between what you perceive as the regular world and the regular world. In a certain way mint isn't different to chili; it combines in the subjective being of you.

Think about it this way: If you thought about being on Neptune now and actually were on Neptune later, these two thoughts would become combined in the subjective being of you. So how can there be any difference between thinking about being on Neptune and being on Neptune if you can't predict the future. Maybe aliens will come tomorrow and teach us all the technology required to take a spaceship into the heart of Neptune.

If it was real it would be best characterized by itself. But that's no different than anything that definitely is real. Anything you think you actually experience you should recount as best as you possibly can, in my opinion. So if someone was truly adamant, the opposite of poetic (though they had written a poem about it,) that they had been to Neptune, I would have to take them seriously. I would probably want more details about what it was like, to determine if they had been to Neptune or not. But if not, then where had they truly been is an interesting mystery to me. I don't just disregard it as some deep personal sickness of the soul. It's a real question, can you have an existence that is so subjective you were subjectively missing for a period of time. You must have been somewhere, but where?

 

It does both CREATING and CHANNELING in a 'humdrum' neuroscientific model, unless I misunderstand your meaning of Channeling. The Brain is CREATING neurotransmitters, neurons, hormones, develops folds, thickens white matter, etc. Then the brain is also is CHANNELING information from genes, the environment, the body in regards to autonomic functioning and what not. Presumably it can be explicable without having to pull shit out of the Aether.

You are all over the place ChinaCat, in the first part you want to point out Writer's folly in bias of having egoic Separation, then in the second part YOU turn around and adopt that egoic separation?

The easy 'counter' example along the lines to show where you are probably significantly underestimating some aspects of the given scenario in terms of signals, is let's say you pick up the cup and end up spilling scalding hot coffee on your hand. When you spill some scalding hot Coffee on your hands, Are you really deciding to move your hand in this instance? or is it more of an automatic reaction ?

In regards to your rather mundane example, it's still far more complex neurologically speaking then you are making it out to be. To illustrate more what it would be like, which probably still does not fully capture the neuroactivity, I'll break it down more.

You see a cup on the ground
-Message gets sent to the occipital Lobe to see the cup.

You contemplate whether or not to pick it up.
-Executive functioning in the frontal lobe and neocortex activate.

You locate the distance of the cup.
-Parietal lobe registers for spatial recognition.

You reach for the come.
-Brain signals to the arm to reach for the cup and raise the cup

LOL, I was thinking the same thing. It appears his ego dwarfs anything that of which he claims of atheists .

 

I am no clearer from having you emphasize those words. I don't know if individualism is bad is the misunderstanding of the new age or if individualism is good is the understanding of the new age.

 

What Nox said, although individualism is the wrong word. The general vibe is that the ego is evil.

Oh, I'm not disagreeing with that. It's an incredibly valuable context for growth, it's even better if you can ground it. There are restraints in this world due to the elegant balance of space and time, or space in time.

There are numerous geometric forms that can't be properly seen because we lack a few extra dimensions.. the way in which I've heard this mind bending concept described is that if you imagine our 3 dimensional reality as a sliver of light passing through a darkened room. Now, by moving an object through that sliver of light, only a section is revealed at each instance.. we can never know it's entire complexity because we're inherently limited, however, we can plot and record the movement of that form and make a fairly accurate assumption of what exists outside of our current level of perception.

Aristotle made a simple observation about the spherical nature of the Earth due to the shadow it cast on the moon, and 200 years later a dude called Eratosthenes calculated its circumference with surprising accuracy by using a measurement he derived from the rays of the sun. I'm just gonna drop timewave-0 in here again now, see what people think.. it's always fun to push it

 

I especially love the strawman of me denying any validity to true spiritual experience or the fundamental unity of the cosmos.

To lay this to rest China, here is just ONE, just ONE of many experiences I have had. http://www.hipforums.com/forum/topic/324138-my-first-real-shroom-trip/

If you are at all honest you will now cease and desist with this ad hominem tangent that flies in the face of the entire reason I have an account on these forums.

 

While I agree in general with the tone of your statement that things are explainable without pulling shit out of the aether, I think it a misnomer to say the brain creates this or that. The brain arrives via the expression of genes. The brain is an influential part of the nervous system in concert with the rest of the biological system. The chemicals are synthesized in the body.

 

I understand that you came to the conclusion the ego is evil? Is this the same conclusion of the new age people or do they think the ego is good? Ego is sense of self identification. The ego that identifies itself as a body always posits identity as some kind of limit. I think good and bad can only be attributed when considering purpose or function. One function that is overlooked is that nobody exists without others so there is no truly independent identity. As far as identification with the body we fashion an ego for ourselves and for each other. For example I recognize john because he looks like john but I don't see the similarities with myself because i don't look like john

 

i still love ya

 

... and specifically in the brain, I don't see a misnomer there.

 

We have a biological system. To have the brain be responsible as in it is the brain that creates, throws up a kind of linguistic partition in the understanding of function.. Without the circulatory, respiratory, endocrine, and digestive systems brain doesn't synthesize anything.