What Were Religious Writers Smoking?

Discussion in 'Random Thoughts' started by egger, Sep 7, 2016.

  1. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

    Messages:
    50,551
    Likes Received:
    10,140
    Not really. A lot of wise people have always had this perspective. It is as old as the bible itself.

    The more people are distanced from religion and just out to convict it the more they focus on literal interpretations.... can be said as well ;)
     
    1 person likes this.
  2. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

    Messages:
    50,551
    Likes Received:
    10,140
    The lack of understanding and acceptance how a loving creator could make a universe where everything dies sooner or later is also age old. Doesn't mean God is inevitably evil, crazy or non existant. It mainly indicates a lot of people have trouble with a finite existence and that this universe works with giving AND taking energy.
     
    3 people like this.
  3. TheGhost

    TheGhost Auuhhhhmm ...

    Messages:
    4,487
    Likes Received:
    652
    It seems to me you been having trouble with that keyboard lately .... [​IMG]
     
    1 person likes this.
  4. StellarCoon

    StellarCoon Dr. Professor

    Messages:
    2,703
    Likes Received:
    1,368
    [​IMG]
     
    1 person likes this.
  5. relaxxx

    relaxxx Senior Member

    Messages:
    3,528
    Likes Received:
    761
    And who is more accepting of their finite existence; an atheist, or someone who believes in Abrahamic God nonsense?
     
  6. guerillabedlam

    guerillabedlam _|=|-|=|_

    Messages:
    29,419
    Likes Received:
    6,305
    Probably cannabis, mushrooms, cacti and the like...

    Perhaps without the cultural desenzitation to drugs and lights, something like blue lotus may have been appreciated beyond a mild intoxicant.
     
    1 person likes this.
  7. BlackBillBlake

    BlackBillBlake resigned HipForums Supporter

    Messages:
    11,504
    Likes Received:
    1,548
    I wonder if any of them ended up with emphysema?
     
  8. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

    Messages:
    33,922
    Likes Received:
    2,461
    How can you be so sure ones existance is finite and ends with the death of the body?
     
    2 people like this.
  9. ~Zen~

    ~Zen~ California Tripper Administrator

    Messages:
    14,112
    Likes Received:
    19,346
    It was quite obviously a burning cannabis plant. The Jews were all over cannabis back in the day. They would make holy anointing oil so strong that when poured over their heads and forelocks (designed to keep the oils on the temple for easy absorption into the brain) they would enter an entranced state, leading to those religious visions we celebrate as the 'word of god.'

    God being the operative word here, God being a plant.

    Have fun with that bit of arcane knowledge :)
     
  10. Ajay0

    Ajay0 Guest

    Messages:
    1,402
    Likes Received:
    621
    There are some sects in Hinduism which use drugs, but they use it judiciously and properly to access higher states of consciousness.

    But this is not the general rule, as drugs are considered as an intoxicant which can prevent proper meditation , and disturb mental equanimity.

    It is through meditation that most ancient Indian sages attained superconscious wisdom and intuitive knowledge.
     
    1 person likes this.
  11. ~Zen~

    ~Zen~ California Tripper Administrator

    Messages:
    14,112
    Likes Received:
    19,346
    If you need the recipe for Holy Anointing Oil let me know... the stuff is AWESOME!
     
    1 person likes this.
  12. ~Zen~

    ~Zen~ California Tripper Administrator

    Messages:
    14,112
    Likes Received:
    19,346
    It is quite debatable about the non-drug part... that seems to be a fiction invented in the 20th century.

    Cannabis and other psychedelics have been used in religious ceremonies for many thousands of years... the evidence is irrefutable.
     
    2 people like this.
  13. ~Zen~

    ~Zen~ California Tripper Administrator

    Messages:
    14,112
    Likes Received:
    19,346
    The Indian sages of course used and still use cannabis... it is not legal in India but quite tolerated for religious use.

    If one travels the world one sees the truth and realizes the lies we live within.
     
  14. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

    Messages:
    8,382
    Likes Received:
    2,389
    LOL, while hemp oil (as in the oil from the pressed seeds, not "hash oil") was a constituent of the anointing oil, it wasn't made to get the priests stoned.

    what about spontaneous ecstatic/spiritual/religious states?
    human awareness/consciousness spans a wide spectrum of discrete subjective states, so why must people always negate or try to explain away experiences if they have not personally experienced them?
     
  15. ~Zen~

    ~Zen~ California Tripper Administrator

    Messages:
    14,112
    Likes Received:
    19,346
    Ahh but I disagree, there is evidence that they did use the oil for visions, and you can read about it in several books including Green Gold the Tree of Life: Marijuana in Magic & Religion by Chris Bennett, et al.

    https://www.amazon.com/Green-Gold-Tree-Life-Marijuana/dp/0962987220

    Unfortunately out of print, I do have a copy and will put up some quotes (when I find it in this stack of books about ten feet high...).

    When living in Amsterdam and volunteering at the Cannabis College, and doing other things I spent quite a bit of time researching this subject and meeting all sorts of fascinating people along the way who have written at length about this subject.

    A good friend was Stephen Gaskin (St. Stephen himself)... he spoke regularly at the early Cannabis Cups in the Dam and wrote Cannabis Spirituality.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Gaskin

    Happy reading!
     
  16. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

    Messages:
    20,867
    Likes Received:
    15,055
    The ancient Greeks used entheogens, some Buddhists used alcohol also cannabis, entheogens, datura extracts, and modern ones may also use LSD, and DMT.

    Jews use many forms of alcohol, caffeine and nicotine. Also possibly mandrake, harmal, and hyoscyamus.

    All this in addition to what others said.

    Also we can't forget the use of cocoa, nicotine, and all the psychoactive substances used by North and South American Indians.
     
    1 person likes this.
  17. Ajay0

    Ajay0 Guest

    Messages:
    1,402
    Likes Received:
    621
    As I said, it is not a general rule.

    The use of drugs actually prevents meditation. It is an artificial means to attain higher states of consciousness. And anything artificial or external creates a dependency.

    The enlightened master Meher Baba stated that " Enlightenment is not found in a pill. "

    No user of drugs ever in the history of the world has attained the bliss and joy found in enlightenment, solely through the use of drugs.

    And there is no pleasure found in drugs that can match the bliss of enlightenment, which is permanent and never wears off.
     
  18. BlackBillBlake

    BlackBillBlake resigned HipForums Supporter

    Messages:
    11,504
    Likes Received:
    1,548
    Let's also add old European pagans who probably used plants like Henbane and Belladonna.
     
  19. Ajay0

    Ajay0 Guest

    Messages:
    1,402
    Likes Received:
    621
    Drugs can give a hint of what lies at the essence of things, and it is important in that regard so that one is not caught in the merely superficial aspects of reality.

    But the actual groundwork in attaining that state permanently is done solely through meditation .
     
  20. ~Zen~

    ~Zen~ California Tripper Administrator

    Messages:
    14,112
    Likes Received:
    19,346
    Ah yes, but the drugs can unlock the part of the mind preventing one from even considering meditation or spiritual awareness... and in this thread we are simply reminding the puritans out there that while that goal might be admirable, humans can and do use aids to get themselves on the path :)

    The artist Salvador Dali pointed this out in many of his major works... the crutches that humans use to get us through the daily trauma, misery and despair that does exist in the world.

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
    1 person likes this.

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice